what do you think?

[ForgottenOne]

I have had hundreds upon hundreds of expierences with spice I am very expierenced. With that said I have never met any divine beings or aliens it seems the highest level of "awareness" I can get is black out or just below where I forget I'm tripping so I think I'm stuck in a crazy world and or brain dead for life. I think this is due to the fact I don't really believe in ghosts or aliens I think its all in our head. With that said if spirits god aliens are all in our head does that really have any meaning. I think not since contact threw our own minds is contact enough to influence what we but in our head (beliefs). What do you think?

 

[ForgottenOne]

*put

 

[pitubo]

The first time I smoked DMT, I experienced a jester. It was a huge surprise, not in the least because it felt so real.

Before this, I had not really studied DMT or read much about it, in fact I had been weary about pre-informing myself, as I noticed others around me were in my opinion mystifying DMT and ayahuasca too much. I wanted to find out myself what was behind the hype.

Before doing DMT, I had had many LSD and psilocybin trips, went through some intriguing transpersonal experiences, but never had an hyperdimensional encounter of the DMT kind.

After that first time, I have not seen this jester again.

 

[Anarkid]

I have had hundreds upon hundreds of expierences with spice I am very expierenced. With that said I have never met any divine beings or aliens it seems the highest level of "awareness" I can get is black out or just below where I forget I'm tripping so I think I'm stuck in a crazy world and or brain dead for life. I think this is due to the fact I don't really believe in ghosts or aliens I think its all in our head. With that said if spirits god aliens are all in our head does that really have any meaning. I think not since contact threw our own minds is contact enough to influence what we but in our head (beliefs). What do you think?

In regards to the "all in our head" thing, don't be so quick to a conclusion. I do not know if these beings are real or just like you said "all in our heads" but I do know that there is no evidence supporting either argument. No one can be sure one way or the other without adding faith into the equation. I'm not saying that I believe they are real for sure. I'm not saying that they aren't either. I'm saying maybe you haven't had any encounters because you have already made up in your mind that they are not real. You must go in to these things with an open mind.

Onward to the "I don't really believe in ghosts or aliens" issue. Well when it comes to these issues, if you have not experienced anything "paranormal" yourself then it would indeed be hard to believe these things exist. Also, the definition of these words sometimes make their existence hard to take as truth. The traditional definition of ghosts is asinine, IMHO. Dead souls still inhabiting the Earth, roaming unchecked, startling the living, and inhabiting a building for no reason. This seems tremendously unbelievable to the scientific mind. My belief on this issue is simple. You see what you know to see. You see what you want to see. You describe the undescribleable in terms that you are familiar with and understand.

Imagine yourself as a primitive tribesman living in the jungle. You have never seen or experienced electricity, running water, automobiles, etc. All of the sudden, an Apache helicopter lands in the jungle. How would you describe that event to your fellow tribesmen? You certainly would not use the word "helicopter". Your description might sound a little more like a "giant insect descending from the heavens" or maybe "God coming from above" among other descriptions that may arise.

My point here is that millions of people see ghosts, aliens, demons, angels, etc every year. Some of these people are nutjobs but the vast majority of these people are normal people with normal lives. They go to work just like the rest of us. They live in a normal home with normal hobbies. They aren't living in dimly lit shacks with newspaper clippings lining the walls, stacks of conspiracy theory books lying around, and body odor smell coating the air. We cannot discredit every instance of paranormal encounters. We cannot dismiss even a quarter of these encounters.

There are things we have no explainations for. There are things in this world, in this universe that we cannot comprehend. As long as we don't KNOW what is going on, we have to keep an open mind on these issues.

In short, do I believe that the encounters with other beings induced by drugs are real? Yes. Yes I do. Do I believe they are supreme, magical deitys with powers that defy the laws of physics? Absolutely not. They must operate within limits. They must be explainable. Do we have the knowledge to explain these things? Not even close. If we did, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

Try approaching the spice with more of an open mind. Try rejecting your belief that these paranormal things do not exist and just know that these things happen and we currently have no explaination. Thus, all explanations that cannot be disproven are plausible. Maybe then, your experiences will change. Maybe not.

 

[ForgottenOne]

I appreciate yalls responses

 

[atticus.paa.tal]

Hey, I have encounted beings/aliens, many times, not everytime i smoke... more often when i drink aya, i always feel the presence of entity's who communicate in various ways, verbally, visually and mentally... it may depend on what the person is ready to experience, or it may be a subconscious based fear...who knows. maybe you should ask them to visit?

i have been told "we are always hear and listening" and "he can hear us"... ask them to show themselves, you may be presently surprised...

 

[ForgottenOne]

I think it may be a subconscious fear. I had a horrible expierence overdosing on Ritalin in my teenage years where I saw shadowy alien like things basically in any corner or behind things hard to explain but I recovered from the physcosis long before I used pysdelics I think I do need to get over the fear and call out the beings. Letting go is good

 

[Pile of cats]

In my most recent dmt + syrian rue session I experienced two possible explainations for this.

one being that we're constantly adding on personality, methods of calculation and interpretation of experience to the I and I witnessed a lot of very toxic parts to myself which I felt very motivated to rid myself of as it is distorting me from true experience of life and everything within it.

The other relating to the third eye (I believe the pineal to be our physical connection to this.) I saw it as a crystal which light from the divine shines through and connects us to it, the distorting of this 'crystal' blocks parts of this connection.

I experience contact with entities in most of my dmt trips and I also put quite a lot of effort in clearing my pineal, may be a link, may not but from my experiences I feel certain.

Try and open yourself to it, rid yourself of critical thinking and just let go.

 

[atticus.paa.tal]

I saw shadowy alien like things basically in any corner or behind things

I know exactly what you are talking about, you see them out of the corner of your eye, they want you to see them and when you do they hide, almost as if they are trying to invoke an emotional reaction and they appear at the weirdest moment, i used to see them everywhere... infact i seen them earlier this week while i was about to purge, they were circling me and trailing behind me as i walked among trees, the sickness of aya was building, along with all of life's negativity which lead to a massive release, after a good retching i felt amazing, and the little shadow creatures were no where to be seen...

They too have purpose, for me they only come about when i have something under the surface that needs to be addressed, they are a manifestation of my own fear, which they feed off of, it is a perpetuating cycle... a cycle that in the end is for your own benefit, as always, you learn to overcome those fears and seeing little creatures around can be frightening, and there is no better feeling on earth when you realize that there was nothing to fear in the first place... do you know what i mean?

if course you do...

 

[darklordsson]

I too have had that hyperspace experience, it can be unpleasent, but just remember you do exist because you allow yourself to, why wouldnt you want to exist? But i crunched down to my very essance and asked my self why? why do i exist? and only my answer came to mind, "Iexist because3 I Simply Can", hence the name darklordsson, came from darkness rose from uncertainty, when you come to find that part of existance in yourself you feel like you have more control, i had to go through that because ive been questioning my own being for a while, but idk, its a huge trip!:lol:
As for inducing hyperspace, just dont think of yourself think of something else pace, time flying through space, while your riding the rocket up and out of yourself.
Ive been able to focus much better with knowing "Because I simply can". Made me feel very good about myself, and gave me a gangload of Pleasent feelings.
YES MY FREND! atticus.paa.tal! fear is the fear itself, also we fear what we do not understand,its a cascading domino effect that keeps going and picking up speed its knowing when to say enough is enough, theres nothing there to fear. its human nature to be afraid tho, so an endless loop becomes itself. Meditation and practice to calm the mind help tremendously!!

Love be with all of you my frends!!

 

[ichgoftsf]

I think this is due to the fact I don't really believe in ghosts or aliens I think its all in our head. With that said if spirits god aliens are all in our head does that really have any meaning. I think not since contact threw our own minds is contact enough to influence what we but in our head (beliefs). What do you think?

The psychedelic experience is all in our head, of course, but to me that's exactly what makes it interesting. I don't think you should be looking for ghosts, aliens or gods, but for things that are of value to you. That could be way different than the things you typically read about on drug websites.

 

[Hjortron]

The psychedelic experience is all in our head, of course, but to me that's exactly what makes it interesting. I don't think you should be looking for ghosts, aliens or gods, but for things that are of value to you. That could be way different than the things you typically read about on drug websites.

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion so easily.

On lower dosages, there's nothing too profound going on. I went into the psychedelic experience hoping to verify my spiritual worldview, but I found that ordinary doses of psychedelics just weren't relevant in terms of assessing whether the psychedelic experience proved anything beyond the brain = mind assumption.

It is only when you go to the more extreme doses that the notion that the trip is created by the brain starts to break down for a lot of users.

 

[ichgoftsf]

There are many interesting things going on in a trip, but IMHO, the notion that our experience is not in our brain is not one of them. This notion seems to me to be mere trickery.

 

[Adjhart]

There are many interesting things going on in a trip, but IMHO, the notion that our experience is not in our brain is not one of them. This notion seems to me to be mere trickery.

Mystical teachings from cultures such as the Vedic, the Ancient Egyptians, and the Siddhis, in your honest opinion, are all make believe? As to say, they were all tricked by their own minds?

The idea that psychedelics are more than just mind altering drugs is literally one of the oldest of human existence.

I don't want to come off as judgmental, I'm really only trying to help, but you seem to have a very narrow and isolated view of psychedelics. You make it sound like you're completely unaware of the significant links between psychedelics and the ancient cultures which accomplished feats that are unexplainable to this day.

How did primitive humans know so much?

Also, since the development of quantum theories, there is scientific framework that supports literally any idea you can conceive.

I feel like there's a LOT of relevant information that you aren't considering or are aware of.

 

[ichgoftsf]

Mystical teachings from cultures such as the Vedic, the Ancient Egyptians, and the Siddhis, in your honest opinion, are all make believe? As to say, they were all tricked by their own minds?

I don't know much about the mystical teachings you speak of, but I'm sure there were very valid ideas present in those cultures. Ideas that helped people with life, and ideas that could be more easily passed on with the use of psychedelics. I wouldn't say this is all make believe. However, that's not to say that everything that people think of during a psychedelic trip is a valid idea, just because it was thought of in a psychedelic trip. So yes, that people were in some cases tricked by their minds sounds very reasonable to me.

The idea that psychedelics are more than just mind altering drugs is literally one of the oldest of human existence.

That something is old doesn't mean that it is true.

I don't want to come off as judgmental, I'm really only trying to help, but you seem to have a very narrow and isolated view of psychedelics.

I'm only saying that our experience is happening in our brain. Since psychedelic substances influence the brain, it seems logical to me that the psychedelic experience is also happening in the brain. That's what my view of psychedelics entails, and I don't think it is a very odd one.

You make it sound like you're completely unaware of the significant links between psychedelics and the ancient cultures which accomplished feats that are unexplainable to this day.

I haven't heard of feats where the only reasonable explanation is that psychedelics are more than mind altering drugs. If you're sure there's something I'm missing, please tell me.

How did primitive humans know so much?

Primitive humans were primitive, but they were not dumb

Also, since the development of quantum theories, there is scientific framework that supports literally any idea you can conceive.

This is not true. Quantum mechanics is complicated and it might be hard to grasp (not that I've ever tried to grasp the entirety of it ) but that doesn't mean you can truthfully support literally every wacky idea by saying "it's quantum stuff!".

 

[Adjhart]

I don't know much about the mystical teachings you speak of, but I'm sure there were very valid ideas present in those cultures. Ideas that helped people with life, and ideas that could be more easily passed on with the use of psychedelics. I wouldn't say this is all make believe. However, that's not to say that everything that people think of during a psychedelic trip is a valid idea, just because it was thought of in a psychedelic trip. So yes, that people were in some cases tricked by their minds sounds very reasonable to me.

I wouldn't presume that everything people think of during a psychedelic trip is a valid idea.

That something is old doesn't mean that it is true.

I wasn't equating antiquity with truth, but significance.

I'm only saying that our experience is happening in our brain. Since psychedelic substances influence the brain, it seems logical to me that the psychedelic experience is also happening in the brain. That's what my view of psychedelics entails, and I don't think it is a very odd one.

That's one opinion. Another opinion is that psychedelics can raise our consciousness to a higher state. A state where it can perceive different things.

Our bodies have all the properties of receivers and transmitters, which supports that opinion.

I haven't heard of feats where the only reasonable explanation is that psychedelics are more than mind altering drugs. If you're sure there's something I'm missing, please tell me.

Lol, really? My point was that the use of psychedelics can underline or even reveal KNOWLEDGE which would lead to incredible feats, like the construction of the Khufu Pyramid, which has no logical explanation of construction that is agreed upon by the scientific community.

Primitive humans were primitive, but they were not dumb

Archaeologists and architectural engineers have made claims that even with our current technology (cranes, tractors, etc), we could not recreate the construction of the Great Pyramid.

They knew things that we still don't know. I wasn't calling primitive humans stupid, I was showing how they were aware of things that modern humans still don't acknowledge.

This is not true. Quantum mechanics is complicated and it might be hard to grasp (not that I've ever tried to grasp the entirety of it ) but that doesn't mean you can truthfully support literally every wacky idea by saying "it's quantum stuff!".

I would argue that it is true.

I didn't say quantum mechanics, as in, 'what is currently accepted by mainstream science', but quantum theory, as in, application of quantum mechanics on broader levels.

The main idea of quantum mechanics is that matter does not initially exist as particles, but possibility wave functions.

These wave functions are not anything but possibilities. The way you can interpret this and apply it to other ideas is infinite.

Again, I think it's really irresponsible for people to follow their certainty, as it usually isn't theirs, but a product of all of our external stimuli and experience.


I mean, this isn't me trying to say I'm right and your wrong. Just that you should include more in your analysis, and have a deeper respect for that which you do not know to be certain.

 

[pitubo]

I'm only saying that our experience is happening in our brain.

But is it happening only in the brain?

Since psychedelic substances influence the brain, it seems logical to me that the psychedelic experience is also happening in the brain.

But this line of reasoning does not logically lead to the conclusion that the psychedelic experience happens only in the brain.

Also, since the development of quantum theories, there is scientific framework that supports literally any idea you can conceive.

This is not true. Quantum mechanics is complicated and it might be hard to grasp (not that I've ever tried to grasp the entirety of it )

"I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics."
Richard Feynman, in The Character of Physical Law (1965)

but that doesn't mean you can truthfully support literally every wacky idea by saying "it's quantum stuff!".

I'm afraid that the people spouting wacky ideas couldn't be bothered less.

 

[Bejamin]

Interesting discussion going on here, my view of it is that through quantum mechanics we have viscerally discovered infinitely many other dimensions, not even necessarily higher dimensions, similar Existences where things are a tad bit different that we're constantly shifting through.

Through things like meditation and entheogens, we can easily access the higher dimensions, of which there are also infinitely many of.

I've never done ayahuasca, never smoked DMT (though I've had my fair share of Near Death Experiences which I've heard can release small amounts of Tryptamines, and through the magic of Nuerogenesis and Nueroplasticity, those experiences can alter a subjective consciousness forever.), never smoked spice, never done 98% of the stuff that the Nexus is all about.

With that said, I was 8 years old once. This was prior to me doing any sort of mind-altering substances. My mom and I were coming back from the video game rental store, there's a big hill on the way back, at the top of the hill, through the trees, I looked up from the instruction manual of the game (I think it was one of those Little Green Army Men games for the N64) to see a black void where the stars normally were. There were no clouds, it was a shapeless extra-dimensional object, as I focused on it more, I saw deep red glowing fractals and spirals, things that later in life I understood to be Sacred Geometry. I turned to my mom and asked, "Woah! Do you see that?" As I turned my head back to where it was, it was gone. She replied that she had seen a white light, speeding off in front of us, faster than anything she'd ever seen before.

I believe that entities make themselves known only when they want to be known to those that they reveal themselves to.

Love, light and gratitude, y'all! Epic discussion! :lol:

 

[۩]

I have had experiences that point to the same beliefs, Benjamin
but I struggle with understanding why/how we, us humans, would stand out in such a way for this to be true.
It leads me to wonder if it is automated (AI), or both.
Contact is being made one way or another. I can't even believe it. It's so remarkably set up it almost makes me sick.

 

[Bejamin]

It is truly remarkable! :lol:

The only conclusion I can think of is that all life-harboring planets in Existence give off a different vibration as opposed to non-life-harboring planets. Extra-dimensional entities comprehend as such, and not wanting human-kind to leave Earth but a barren stone, do what they can to raise the general level of consciousness, any life extinguished is a vibrational frequency altered, and if a whole planet were to stop, then it would be as if a heart stopped beating in a creature with an innumerable amount of hearts, but not an infinite amount of hearts. The implications of humans being misbehaved would have far reaching effects on all of Existence, through every dimension.


...Kind of makes me feel bad about the ant I ate yesterday, and the steak the day before that, and the pepperoni on the pizza I made the day before that, and the yeast in the bread that I made two loaves over the course of the past few days, and the moth that was stuck in the creek earlier that I hoped would free itself but didn't...

I reckon I'mma go bike ride and meditate now.