What does your ACRB extract look like?

[Hiyo Quicksilver]

Haha, I love you guys so friggin much!

To be honest, I just stole it from my soap bottle for a little added messianic zest.

Acacian, thanks man... but I think we might actually agree more than our pathetic monkey minds can comprehend. We should investigate further.

 

[InMotion]

I honestly think the only way to seperate the two would be to use more advanced chromotography like HPLC. The two molecules are just too similar. However, with some simple chemistry one could add a heavy subunit to NMT selectively by finding a reaction selective for secondary over tertiary amines, then seperate the two by column chromotagraphy or HPLC. It can be done, but NMT is also psychoactive.
Another way to do this if you know how to run an actual reaction is to methylate the NMT at the amide to convert it to DMT. I'm sure theres a fairly simple reaction that can achieve this. but now we are dealing with actual chemical reactions and not simple extractions.

Eschweiler–Clarke reaction, look this one up, it can convert NMT to DMT with commonly available reagents. This way you actually convert all your NMT to DMT.

Advanced chromatography? How about simple column chromatography. That would work...

Methylate at the amide? You must mean amine.

Also, eschweiler-clarke isn't the best way to go at all. Pictet spengler is a prodominant side reaction. Yes, this works on secondary amines of tryptamines...Let's not make promises to people with things that are NOT known to work... Please see my attached image from the reference given below.

Alkaloids in Certain Species of Virola and Other South American Plants of Ethnopharmacologic Interest
S. Agurell, B. Holmstedt, J.E. LindGren
Acta Chemica Scandinavica 23 (1969) 903-916

N-methyltrytamine should be easily acetylated by acetylsalicylic acid in an alcoholic solution. This has been mentioned before several times on the forum and would be incredibly easy. However, there is no known report of doing this for the secondary methyl amine to my knowledge, at least not yet. Notice how I don't claim theory as truth, chemistryptaman?

 

[null24]

ps. it's what your acrb extract looks like on the inside that counts..

Now thats the best quote in this thread. Stop pickin on lil ol NMT.

 

[DonPeyote]

Heres what my Acacia Looks like:

 

[DonPeyote]

First two pictures: Right after Freezer Precipitation
Second Fotos: after several days: NMT/DMT Goo

I have re-crystaliized the product 3 times. Some precipitate remains in the jar each time.
BUT, aside from the random DMT crystal bloom, the product remains a clear, transparent gel, even after weeks of drying in a "cool, dark place".

DP

 

[alert]

First two pictures: Right after Freezer Precipitation
Second Fotos: after several days: NMT/DMT Goo

I have re-crystaliized the product 3 times. Some precipitate remains in the jar each time.
BUT, aside from the random DMT crystal bloom, the product remains a clear, transparent gel, even after weeks of drying in a "cool, dark place".

DP

This is exactly what I got, a clear/transparent gel. I'm still leaving mine out for awhile in the hope that is will crystallize somewhat, but I'm worried it is probably going to stay a goo. I'd be happy even with waxy crystals, this goo has the desired effect but it is difficult to work with. I have no idea how to store it or weigh it without putting it onto some kind of leaf first.

I tried the "weigh a razor blade, reset the scale, scape up all the goo, and re-weigh the razor blade" method; however this was much easier said than done. In the end I just ended up mixing it with some cannabis and hoping for a decent ratio (which I got).

Even the infused leaf is kind of a pain to work with because it remains so sticky.

How/where are you storing your goo? I have always used small glass vials in the past but even if I manage to get the goo into one efficiently I have no idea how I would get it back out.

 

[BecometheOther]

Wow don peyote! i hope to replicate your results. What is the origin of your bark and is it rootbark or stem/trunk bark?

Congrats!~

 

[Swinjin]

First two pictures: Right after Freezer Precipitation
Second Fotos: after several days: NMT/DMT Goo

I have re-crystaliized the product 3 times. Some precipitate remains in the jar each time.
BUT, aside from the random DMT crystal bloom, the product remains a clear, transparent gel, even after weeks of drying in a "cool, dark place".

DP

Which tek did you use?

 

[endlessness]

Try scrapping it and re-scrapping it a few times, see if it helps crystallizing.

As for how to weigh it, you could redissolve in small amount of warm acetone or alcohol, pre-weigh a glass petri dish, then evap onto the petri dish, and weigh again.

 

[darellmatt]

I had an idea for handling the nmt/dmt acacia goo for those that want to smoke it:
What about adsorbing it onto some substance that is porous, heat stable, and
chemically non reactive? Crushed charcoal? Calcium carbonate? Vermiculite? These are
just ideas but it seems to me that the handling problem is best solved by finding the right
inert spongy material to mix it with. I personally like the effect of the gooey product but agree
that handling it is unaesthetic and a pain in the sphincter.

 

[alert]

I had an idea for handling the nmt/dmt acacia goo for those that want to smoke it:
What about adsorbing it onto some substance that is porous, heat stable, and
chemically non reactive? Crushed charcoal? Calcium carbonate? Vermiculite? These are
just ideas but it seems to me that the handling problem is best solved by finding the right
inert spongy material to mix it with. I personally like the effect of the gooey product but agree
that handling it is unaesthetic and a pain in the sphincter.

Something like the heat sink in the vaporgenie might be ideal for this. I think it is ceramic?

 

[arcologist]

You could make some enhanced leaf/changa and the handling problem would go away. Just add enough acetone to dissolve the goo, then put a pre-weighed amount of herb into the acetone, and evaporate. Weigh the final product and subtract the weight of the herb and you can calculate your yield accurately.

I will post a picture of my crystals/goo when they're ready. I was able to separate most of the NMT by salting the DMT/NMT to fumarate, then rebasing and pulling with naphtha, most of the NMT stays behind. The crystals that form still melt, though.

 

[Swinjin]

Got about 8g of nice spice from 500g acrb. This is what it looks like this time.

 

[Entheogenerator]

Happy spice.

 

[starway6]

Here is my acacia spice newly born free floating crystals that percipatated in jar buried in ice all night...
Then in morning poured out beautyfully through coffie filter then dried to a fluffy white spice..
I used the AB tec..

 

[alert]

I never liked dealing with those floaters because I always felt I lost material in the filter. I just let the solvent come back to room temp, evap half off and then refreeze. If you do that the floaters tend to actually stick to the glass in my experience.

Anyhow, I have always recrystallized my spice with naphtha (using the same kind of solvent I do pulls with). Is there any benefit to a heptane re-x with ACRB or does naphtha provide about the same results? I don't like the brand of Naphtali I currently have now, it takes over twice as long to evaporate as the old Ace naphtha I used to use. It also has a slightly different scent than the Ace naphtha, I think different brands may use different mixtures of hydrocarbons? I wonder if the brand of VM+P I am using now has a little move xylene or some other chemical in it that causes the discrepancy in evaporation times as well as the different smell. Next time I need more solvent I am gonna use Ace again despite many people using the brand I do (MSDS is clean as well, obviously)

tl;dr - Do you think heptane would provide noticeably different re-x results on some dirty acacia goo than simply using naphtha?

 

[Swinjin]

I never liked dealing with those floaters because I always felt I lost material in the filter. I just let the solvent come back to room temp, evap half off and then refreeze. If you do that the floaters tend to actually stick to the glass in my experience.

Anyhow, I have always recrystallized my spice with naphtha (using the same kind of solvent I do pulls with). Is there any benefit to a heptane re-x with ACRB or does naphtha provide about the same results? I don't like the brand of Naphtali I currently have now, it takes over twice as long to evaporate as the old Ace naphtha I used to use. It also has a slightly different scent than the Ace naphtha, I think different brands may use different mixtures of hydrocarbons? I wonder if the brand of VM+P I am using now has a little move xylene or some other chemical in it that causes the discrepancy in evaporation times as well as the different smell. Next time I need more solvent I am gonna use Ace again despite many people using the brand I do (MSDS is clean as well, obviously)

tl;dr - Do you think heptane would provide noticeably different re-x results on some dirty acacia goo than simply using naphtha?

Yea i just wanna see pictures of ACRB extract. lol. IDK maybe make a thread to get the answers ur lookin for?

 

[starway6]

Swim just finished thick-light's tek and this is what his final product looks like.

It looks great :d
1Have you tryed it?...
How acacia spice it compare with Mimosa hostillis??/
How many mgs does it take to break through???

 

[Swinjin]

Swim just finished thick-light's tek and this is what his final product looks like.

It looks great :d
1Have you tryed it?...
How acacia spice it compare with Mimosa hostillis??/
How many mgs does it take to break through???

Thanks! I think the ACRB spice lasts a bit longer. It also has a slightly different feeling than mimosa, which i contribute to the presence of NMT.
I usually load about 30-40mg in my gvg for a breakthrough.
I am glad i was forced to experiment with this tree. I like it more than MH.
Here is a link to a pic of my last extraction. This last one has been the most rewarding.

 

[tgun]

Well I have no pics because you couldnt see much in my phone anyways. Mine last night with only a few hours freez precip melted from white lumps into an orangish clear goo. I didnt mind I guess because I expected as much from reading around, but the longer 18hr freeze precip seems to be staying more of a solid even though it looked identical in the beginning to last nights. (white lumps of small crystals/powder consistancy)I hope I get something that at least when scraped it stays as a flake or waxy solid even.

Overall Im very happy with the results as it is very much what I needed lol. Pastel flowery images bordering on a liquid look or even a holographic shimmering effect. Most of the visions seemed to sprout from a flower type thing with a very pink crystal or bud formation, blooming into the rest of the previously stated type visions.