What else can we put in Changa?

[Spirit_Seeker]

So most Changa blends include caapi, passionflower, or some other source or harmala, and then of course the various herbs and additives that give us our unique blends.
My question is first of all, what do you use in your Changa, but more importantly why?
If you like lotus, or mullein, or damiana, why? What does it do for you?
I am about to order a plethora of herbs and I'm excited to mix and experiment, but I wonder if there is enough overlap in people's experience to declare "this herb has this effect" more or less.
ALSO if all these herbs are mentioned, how come cannabis is hardly ever used? Thats a pretty fantastic herb if you ask me. Can one grind up and smoke dried magic mushrooms in their Changa?
Why use this herb, and why not use that one?

 

[Spaced Out 2]

There's a ton of combinations you can use with the herbs, a lot of it is personal preference and some may have synergy with dmt, and harmalas. Personally I use damiana cause I love the smell of it, lemon balm cause I like the smell and taste plus I can make tea with it, mullein for its fluffy texture (lots of surface area) for holding spice and harmalas, plus the marshmellowy smell of it. B.Caapi leaf (yellow). I like mine harmala heavy with a 1:1:1 ratio. Again that's personal preference.

Weed doesn't seem to go well with spice, seems to cloud up the experience or makes it muddy. For some it may not but it seems to be the general consensus. I tried smoking a bud and then smoalking dmt and I won't do that again, it was a dirty experience and felt more negative and counter productive.

Since you mentioned that you're getting numerous herbs then experiment to see what ones suit your tastes. Otherwise, safe and happy journeys :thumb_up:

 

[nothingness]

wassup bro, I used peppearmint oilz dabbin a bit on da lid or on da bottom of a jar with my changa and it reall good for lungs and smell good. U cud use any essential oil too bro. I also know lot of ppl use passionflower cuz it semi MAOI but not as much as harmalaz

 

[Spirit_Seeker]

Well damn I've only ever vaped dmt with weed. That's very interesting, I had no idea the general consensus was that weed clouded the experience, although it makes so much sense. I wonder how different the Changa experience will be.
I've heard mullein is good for the throat and/or cough. Does mullein Changa hit smoother perhaps?
Has anyone experimented with blending/smoking mushrooms? Is that even possible?

 

[wolf8312]

Is it possible to use Syrian rue seeds for Changa?

I have no leaves or anything so am kind of at a loss for now.

 

[Ufostrahlen]

Dried mangos?

 

[Spaced Out 2]

Well damn I've only ever vaped dmt with weed. That's very interesting, I had no idea the general consensus was that weed clouded the experience, although it makes so much sense. I wonder how different the Changa experience will be.
I've heard mullein is good for the throat and/or cough. Does mullein Changa hit smoother perhaps?
Has anyone experimented with blending/smoking mushrooms? Is that even possible?

Mullein is supposed to have expectorant like properties, I wouldn't go as far as saying it makes the smoke smoother than say vaporizing dmt. A bong helps make it a bit smoother than just straight from a pipe, but if you can handle weed smoke then changa is pretty tolerable. I can take bigger hits of changa than of weed, but that could just be my blend.

As for smoking shrooms, I wouldn't know as I only eat them, and I would think it might be pretty crappy tasting. You could just eat some. I ate some shrooms and at peak smoked a bowl of changa and for about 45 min I didn't exist. I don't even remember anything, the harmala alks helped potentiate the psilocybin in the mushrooms and made the trip strong. It was kinda like waking up and just not remembering the dream you just had. If I did that again I would definitely take a smaller dose of shrooms, now it just seemed like a waste.

 

[pitubo]

Is it possible to use Syrian rue seeds for Changa?

Yuckkk! Don't do that. The seeds pop when burning and they don't have a lot of useful surface to absorb spice onto. You could burn some seeds on top of a piece of incense charcoal to check out the smell and the popping.

I have no leaves or anything so am kind of at a loss for now.

I would use leaves from the garden or even plain grass before considering rue seeds. But more seriously, don't you have oregano, basil or some other herbs in your kitchen? Even tea might be an option.

 

[Nitegazer]

At risk of stating the obvious, there's a pretty good compilation of changa mixes on this sticky in the changa sub-forum:

A Guide to DMT Enhanced Leaf (changa)

 

[Godsmacker]

I've always wondered if one could freebase MXE and infuse it into herbs/changa....

Also, why not infuse some opium into the mess while we're at it (its alkaloids are soluble in IPA and acetone at room temperature IIRC)?

Coca leaf preparations are also consumed with ayahuasca in some occasions. I would be interested in infusing 10-20g of coca leaves into IPA and infusing into herbs along with spices for an energetic dragon ride through crack-space (May be potentially fatal but this is debatable considering past reports of high doses of coca leaf and ayahuasca). While inexperienced, I would like to see if coca leaf smoalks well and what lessons it could pull out of changaspace for me to sense.

IDK how viable this would be, but perhaps some freebased psilocin/psilocybin/psilocybe alkaloid extract could join the blend? I'm not sure how the heat would mess with the structure of the molecule, but i'm damn interested in finding out where the rabbit hole leads.

As has been mentioned before, 5-MeO changas can be interesting, but be VERY careful with regards to your ratios used. 5-MeO is no friggin joke. One author suffered cardiac arrest after smoalking 30 miligrams. I'm curious to know how harmalas effect its psychoactive profile and would like to see how it may play in a blend with N,N-DMT (a 1:5 ratio of 5-MeO:NN DMT). For the love of GOD go easy on the 5-MeO. God only knows how much harmalas potentiate it when used in this fashion-while interesting, I would prefer not to be completely demolished each and every time I smoalk changa as this would be a waste of the other colorful elements used with it. Or if complete and utter rapture is your goal then by all means just use 5-MeO enhanced leaf (harmalas optional). I have never tried 5-MeO before and will not for the foreseeable future. I am somewhat scared of what it has to teach me and the places it will take me to.

WIth regards to herbs-I would suggest experimenting to find a blend that works best for you. I prefer a 33:33:33 mixture of peppermintassionflower:caapi, 50:50 caapi/passiflora:mint, and every other combination of those three herbs. Lemon balm based changa makes me feel like a snake is slithering around my intestines (this happens nearly ever time I use it-very strange coincidence and only occurs with this batch which I made with the usual 1:1:.3 herbMT:harmalas ratio). Caapi is a great vessel/guide to the changasphere, but the true art is in the tastiness of the blend, not just the kinds of chemicals used in the blend. Play around with the ratios. Keep experimenting. You'll figure out your preferred ratios with practice and patience.

 

[pitubo]

an energetic dragon ride through crack-space

:surprised WTF did I just read ?!? :?:
What's next? Shake-n-bake some sudafed onto herbs? :roll: :lol:

 

[Godsmacker]

an energetic dragon ride through crack-space

:surprised WTF did I just read ?!? :?:
What's next? Shake-n-bake some sudafed onto herbs? :roll: :lol:

I wouldn't suggest mixing catecholamines of any kind with changa (or just about anything else involving a MAOI of any kind...) Also MXE might not play well with harmalas... Also i'd imagine that a concentrated coca/novo leaf IPA extract might "crack" open a rather unhealthy relationship with the blend... Then again I have yet to read about such a concoction and don't really want to be yet another counterculture-crazed guinea pig. Take caution when thinking of adding new and exciting herbs/drugs to the blend-some can completely derail and demolish the experience (along with your brain).

The title mentioned what else could be added to changa... The answer to that question rests in the hands, mind, soul and intentions of the person crafting the changa itself. I'm always keen to read about new changa admixtures/additives and how they alter the experience.

All the best,
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[MrPitt]

I personally use spearmint, saint johns wart, and Damiana. I don't use weed because I like to hold my DMT in my lungs for 20-30 seconds and weed for about 5-10. My blend is much smoother and doesn't cause much of an urge to cough. Plus, some might be looking for a pure DMT experience and don't want thc to taint that. Not my point of view but I get it.
And I don't think any sort of coca would be great idea. In such a delicate mindset, the last thing I would want is speedy anxiety.

 

[MrPitt]

Can one grind up and smoke dried magic mushrooms in their Changa?

While Magic Mushrooms are psychoactive when smoked, it's not in the way you might think. No formal studies have been done (to my knowledge) but there's many anecdotal reports scattered across the web saying that instead of tripping, they get a very speedy effect with a large body load, and the general consensus is that it is unpleasent and tastes horrible.

 

[travsha]

Coca doesnt make you speedy at all, and the amount you could fit into a smoke of changa wouldnt give you any effect at all. Coca is not even close to cocaine in any way. Coca is very mild and medicinal and totally safe in large amounts with Ayahuasca (I recently dieted coca for 10 days which included 7 Ayahuasca ceremonies). No reason to put coca in changa though, although it also would not hurt you in any way and wouldnt make you speedy at all. Would be better to just chew coca and then smoke the changa if you really wanted to do that, though I cant see the point why....

If you want to smoke mushrooms amanitas are much nicer to smoke then psilocybin. Smoking is still the worst way to ingest mushrooms in my experience - you have to smoke a lot for a mild effect and it is nicer and easier to just eat them somehow. I have smoke amanitas before and it was pleasant - even combined them with caapi leaves for "changanita" before, but I found that drinking amanita tea or juice is much nicer then smoking.