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What happens with ultra high (150+ mg) doses of smoked DMT?
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honestly, I cant even imagine that being possible..
I mean, unless someone strapped some vaporizer sort of thing to my mouth and nose so the smoke came independent of my action..
I say this because every time SWIM tried to smoke more than 50mg spice (like, say, 80mg a couple of times), SWIM took a hit, second hit, third hit and already totally off his mind but was able to take 4th hit... he could not physically smoke more (and basically just dropped the pipe or friend took from his hand), and after the very strong trip, SWIM saw that there was even some bit of leftover unvaporized crystals in the pipe... so SWIM felt its really not physically possible for him at least..
as for the ´whats beyond the elves´, SWIM had a couple of experiences where he went to a place that one could define ´beyond´, and there was some very calm space with a buddha-like figure floating in the middle of a mandala.... or something like that... It just emanated a lot of peace and wisdom..
but I suspect there are many possibilities of ´going beyond´, and really dont know essentially which experience is beyond which other one, if you know what I mean...
I mean, unless someone strapped some vaporizer sort of thing to my mouth and nose so the smoke came independent of my action..
I say this because every time SWIM tried to smoke more than 50mg spice (like, say, 80mg a couple of times), SWIM took a hit, second hit, third hit and already totally off his mind but was able to take 4th hit... he could not physically smoke more (and basically just dropped the pipe or friend took from his hand), and after the very strong trip, SWIM saw that there was even some bit of leftover unvaporized crystals in the pipe... so SWIM felt its really not physically possible for him at least..
as for the ´whats beyond the elves´, SWIM had a couple of experiences where he went to a place that one could define ´beyond´, and there was some very calm space with a buddha-like figure floating in the middle of a mandala.... or something like that... It just emanated a lot of peace and wisdom..
but I suspect there are many possibilities of ´going beyond´, and really dont know essentially which experience is beyond which other one, if you know what I mean...
overdose is amnesic
imachavel said:
no, not the tolerance curve is much steeper.
it's more like psilocin, effects shoot off the chart with increasing dosage..though when vaporized, you must inhale it all within 20-30 seconds.
if I'm not mistaken, lsd plateaus in effect beyond a certain dosage (~750 mics)
benzyme said:
not really... it´s indeed a common belief but lsd definitely has a bigger effect (not just time-wise) at much higher doses... check out the ´thumbprint´ thread in shroomery if you are already a member there for a while and have access to it for more info
imachavel said:
It doesn't work like LSD at all.
The peak of a dmt trip will not last beyond 5-8 minutes without an MAOI. Bad "trips" can happen on lower doses of spice, but because of the short duration a bad trip is manageable. Higher doses just become chaotic and confusing and too high of a dose will shut the system down, making a "bad trip" impossible.
thumbprints are all fun and good, but what I'm figuring is that there is an absolute peak plasma concentration, this is pretty much dictated by the liver. as soon as lsd gets in the bloodstream, it's already being broken down. not sure why i think the effects peak, perhaps because lsd also has an antagonistic effect on receptors other that 5HT2A; non-competitive inhibition. I'm wondering if it acts as an allosteric effector at these sitesendlessness said:
What about ultra high IV or IM doses? There the problem of not having the time to inhale and hold all the smoke doesn't pose itself.
What's the right dose anyway for IV and IM injections? Isn't it something like 0,2 mg/kilo body weight? Strassman mentions this in his book but does someone know more from experience?
What's the right dose anyway for IV and IM injections? Isn't it something like 0,2 mg/kilo body weight? Strassman mentions this in his book but does someone know more from experience?
regardless of the method of administration, the mind reboots after overdose. you just don't remember it.
that sounds like it could get dangerous..