AiL762 said:
See imo just in your own statement its clear your doing psilocybin in the wrong settings. Public yoga studio?
Man shrooms grant such an intense connection to nature and the earth that being surrounded by society and humans is the last thing I want to do.
Hell, I can't even stand being inside while on them. As soon as I take them I realize I spend wayyyy too much time in the prison of walls I have settled in and have to go out and appreacite walking around on my property. Seeing plants and wildlife I completely would ignore 9j the regular.
Shrooms awaken a sense of adventure and settlement in the grand scheme of things. Explore everything with the eyes of a child not being perceptually blinded by our constant surroundings that we eliminate as background noise as we get older. Etc.
So yes, doing it in a human society where the only importance is us as humans, obviously you will think DMTs ability to teleport you elsewhere has "more value".
Side note: F Nick Sand or any single person for that matter. Dont take someone's word as gospel. These things have been around and practiced religiously for thousands of years prior to any of these egotistical western minded hippies.
Wrong settings... ? Friend, I use psilocybin and LSD in my yoga practice because I find psychedelics in general enhance the yoga experience, and yoga enhances the psychedelic experience. The first time I did yoga on acid, when I walked out the world looked almost like a pixar cartoon - the change in trip quality was astounding. So clean, so pure, so beautiful, so ordered.... that trip converted me ever after.
The same goes for meditation while on psychedelics.There is a mutual deepening of the trip and the practice. And the only reason I do yoga on psychedelics in public is because I do hot yoga, where they heat the room. I have been tripping for 13 years, and after 13 years of tripping, I found that the indigenous cultures are correct; practice deepens tripping. I do not drum or sing or dance or chant as indigenous cultures do, so, I tried my yoga and meditation practices with these things. To my delight, it deepened tripping by a lot. Visuals turned into visions. Just increasing the dose or even the setting does not effect these changes. Far too often we treat set passively - “are you in a good mood?”. This is not how indigenous cultures treat set. For them, set is your skillset, not your mood.
I have used these things in many settings over a 13 year period. I would love to bring ayahuasca into the studio too, I just can’t risk vomiting in a yoga studio, lol, so, my use of it is restricted to meditation practice. All that is really important as far as setting goes when I meditate on ayahuasca is just that the environment be of moderate temperature and quiet, because I keep my eyes closed while I do it. The things I have seen have been comparable to DMT breakthroughs, but moving much more slowly. I have meditated on psilocybin as well, I just find that the visions and healings are not as profound.
Nick Sand also brought his meditation practice and yoga practice to psychedelic use, for the same reasons I did: it’s what he knew. I didn’t do it because Sand said to, I did it because I already did it, and I wanted to deepen my relationship to psychedelics, instead of just taking them passively. I’m not taking his word as gospel either; I’m saying this is my experience, and it accords with someone who had a deeply dedicated relationship with psychedelics. Terence McKenna, btw, who loved mushrooms, once said that ayahuasca shamans when he spoke to them about mushrooms would say tongue in cheek that they used mushrooms when there was no ayahuasca - but they always had ayahuasca. Ayahuasca shamans are more than happy as a general rule to practice with cactus, though.
And btw, friend, Maria Sabina took mushrooms at night in her home. She would chant and sing for the duration of her experience. She didn’t take nature walks. Some groups do that; I believe there are some tribes in San Luis Potosi, Mexico, who would make pilgrimages in the desert consuming peyote. But, many shamans stay inside, chanting, singing, drumming, on all of these substances - mushrooms, ayahuasca, cactus - but, I don’t know how to do that. But my yoga and meditation practices have definitely deepened the experience far beyond anything I experienced in nature walks. Those experiences were beautiful, but they didn’t have the results that a dedicated intentional practice did, and the majority of indigenous practicioners bring dedicated intentional practices of some kind or other to these experiences.
Finally, you have to be pretty experienced to pull this off successfully. I tried it when I was initially getting into meditation - I couldn’t focus. And I sure as heck would never have been in any public setting around sober people while tripping early on. No way. But that was a long time ago. Now, I meditate for two hours a day, and I do yoga very regularly, and I am very experienced with psychedelics and am not uncomfortable in public settings on them. That’s not a flex, I’m just cautioning that it takes experience and discipline to do this properly - and, I am recommending it. Not my practices specifically - but some sort of practice, because intentional practice definitely deepens things, and I have never heard of a shaman who just took something and hoped for the best. Those tribes in San Luis Potosi do the pilgrimage as a tribe, including everyone. That’s a little different from a shaman’s private practice. Shamans are shamans because they have a skillset. I am not a shaman nor do I claim to be, but I would say it is good to take a cue from shamans and explore disciplined practice with psychedelics, if you feel drawn to exploring a committed and intentional relationship with using them. There are many possibilities, beyond just practices like drumming/chanting/singing. I’ve experimented a little with martial arts during trips, and that was certainly effective. A Kung Fu practicioner whom I gave ayahuasca to was very grateful when I suggested he practice his forms while tripping. He said it elevated him to a new level of depth in his practice.
To move a mountain you need dynamite, not a shovel, and that's where ayahuasca comes in.
