Philosopher said:
To me god is the break. The shift, or the impossible change.
God is powerful enough to facilitate the insight. The eureka. The enlightenment! From nothing becomes something, is a miracle.
The change from the infinite 0 to the finite 1. Without 1, there is no 2. Without 1 there is nothing. With 1 the possibilities become INFINITE.
Thanx
Philosopher, for starting this intriguing thread. We've had a fair number of these God threads and I never ever tire of the creative and insightful responses they provoke. Each unique vista into this great mystery is a thrill to observe. 8)
I guess I would have to initially state, that I feel anything we as individuals struggle to express about the nature and reality of God... is hopelessly doomed to miss the mark by a pretty wide margin. And still... we simply cannot help ourselves, when confronted with the effulgent bloom of awareness in which we perceive directly, The Unified Field of Being. And you know, when all is seen as One, what then is not God?
Yet, when we attempt to describe the absolute in relative terms, the infinite with finite reasoning or the limitlessness of the eternal expanse of the Sacred frequency of Being, in terms of our limited human cognition (ourselves being an organic byproduct of the time-space-continuum), the indefinable insubstantial, from a clearly formed sense of reality... I believe we all essentially fall into the trap of mortal mind, one prone to perceive of dichotomies and polarities.
IMO, the journey of awakening involves much practice, concentration and much attention focused upon this living moment, right here and now. Only here are we able to move towards the grand eclipsing of Iso-self and Omniself, Jivatman and Paramatman, Soul and God, fused as one fulcrum of interconnected, universal awareness.
In this very moment, we are free to shift our perceptual parameters, to utilize other more effective senses and other, far more effective regions of our brains, to link to the Sacred. I have come to believe that many of us are destined to experience a transcendental blooming of sorts, an expansion of routine, commonplace perceptual cognition. So much so, that we cease to be who we think we are... and suddenly become what we somehow recall, we always have been (and will always be).
Entheogens, deep meditation, NDE and OBE... all shift our mental and emotional fixations and open new views into alternate levels of conscious being and new realities to voyage into. Ours is an ineffable calling and an endless opening of heart & mind.
AlbertKLloyd said:
I like your questioning this.
God is just a word.
It is likely one of the least well defined words ever.
My question is this, do you have to know what God is to love God?
I do agree on many levels, "God" is a just word and a conceptual ideal. God is also
The Word and something so vast, no concept can begin to pin it down. We agree, whether we speak it's name out loud or choose not to give it any name at all...
it is as it is. Our human quantification is quite superfluous in the Big Picture.
Love is also just a word... but to merge within what we name as "love", is to dissolve our separation and expand in a complete fusion and deep unity with another. Love is the buzz, the joyous vibration we hold highest, yes? We can talk about love all day long and all night, but it's something we must feel directly and enthusiastically loose ourselves deeply within. Falling head over heels, as it were.
So, in the strictest sense of naming names, any labels we project, are as you clearly suggest, quite irrelevant if not born of one's direct, firsthand knowledge and immediate experiences. Divinity is a conceptual paradigm we often cling to, as a conceptual framework by which we might objectify our experience of the ineffable Tao. The trouble begins when we as mortal souls, believe we know what God/Tao is and why we exist.
Gnosis needn't be a case of a subject-object relationship, rather, one of direct reflection and integration. A type of knowledge that cannot be properly defined with any human words or concrete ideas. As it is surely both, the transcendental void and the very same self-awareness, hidden most centrally within the core vortex of
the all in all.
We perpetuate our desire to know... and in so doing, we try to bring the Omniscient into assimilable, ideological terms. For at the moment of death, in the sheer face of sentient oblivion, an empty mind with no idea or reference point, we risk immersion into that which is wholly Void. No words or ideas will be of any avail to us, as we will be naught but our own conscious-awareness, same as always (but without human form). Once more returned to awareness within immeasurable emptiness?
ManifestTheMind said:
I think "God" is existence in and of itself, from the smallest piece to the largest. I truly believe there is only One being/Creator, that is infinite and eternal, and that being separated itself into different faucets to make little mini-creators (but still part of itself) with infinite potential for evolution within a limited matrix of energy. Manifestations of the Divine if you will. I like theorize that "God" is light/photon and creates with photon. I think there is much truth in the saying "Love and Light".
Agreed. What our species has touched, throughout the ages, is the deeply profound awareness of this great expanse of intelligence, love and unbound power. As you elude to, it is a matrix of sorts. A field of ideas, interwoven into a fabric of dimensionality and laws of universal attraction.
I believe we are, as individuated dream-sequences within a fluid current of potential realities, flowing within it's immense energy surge and hold to our existence, overlaid upon it's limitless field of being. The Godhead awakening into being, even as we are awakening into the Godhead.
Likewise, we are in essence, composed of variations in energy patterning and frequencies of thought, within the immense field of said "Godhead". It is void of features but seems to express aspects of itself, which we are able to access through our intuition and instincts. :thumb_up:
Tattvamasi said:
The infinite array of perceptual awareness that is Life, in al its grandiose of display, from the smallest atom to an entire galaxy. Always been on the run, always will be. Places to go, people to see. The train with no conductor.
Nice, very well said and poetic.
I feel that there exists a symmetry within us which reflects this measureless desire to be. We are it. It is what we are and we are all one grand organism. Our cognition of being existent is our link to our Divine identity, which naturally attunes itself to the greater totality, towards the Omniversal Oneness.
Paradoxically, this same zero state gives rise to all that exists, for reasons we cannot ever know. Even as it's no-thingness initiates thingness, it remains interlocked indivisibly, within the manifestation of the universe at large.
AllIsDistraction said:
What is God?
Yes. Exactly.
The answer is the question. The infinite expanding nature of all things. Both the abyss and the one staring into it. The dissolution of barriers that allows the edges of everything to blend together like some dripping palette of colors.
What is God? The energy that fuels the questioning mind.
It's funny, because when we ask about what God is we never arrive at an answer. How could an eye witness itself? How does sugar know how sweet it is?
It sure seems that the totality of the Sacred, whose interrelationship with itself, sparks the vortex of self and other, existence and non-existence... is alive in everything and everyone. It exists when we do and it ceases to exist when we do (for ourselves). Omniscience without a witness is quite a mysterious void.
Perhaps it is a symbiosis of mutual reliance, and a mirage we perceive, as well? It is likely to be partly both and partly neither... for words and ideas are our own creations. "God" would logically have it's own multifaceted, myriad potentialities and infinite levels of reality, wholly free of our subjective perceptions. We are it but it is not limited to us, after all, it is Sacredness aware of naught but the Sacred. it is everything surely, but not apart from the me, which writes these very words to you all. :?
Miksiton said:
If there is such a thing as God as in the ultimate being, the Source, the Alpha and the Omega it would exist in the Existence, correct? Wouldn't that imply that the entire Existence as well would in essence be God?
And even if there isn't a God, the fact remains that we are living in an ongoing miracle. My God (no pun intended), the thrill to exist! I love you all fellow travelers, Eternity is well spent with you.
Yes, there is an immanence and presence within all which manifests as perceivable form. It remains empty and without limit to form, even as it plays within the structure of form/formlessness and the circle of duality. God is beyond all of our contemplative insights, internal discoveries, enlightened epiphanies... and yet it remains nearer than our next breath, our very next heartbeat. Quite the miracle, eh?
