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What is god?
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Well said. Although, in my experience, it's not actually becoming the light or becoming anything at all. We shift our attention and suddenly see the Divine within ALL THINGS. It's blinding effulgence is our own fulcrum of being, yet as a whole it is limited to naught.DeMenTed said:
The words Omni and Uni are all-inclusive prefixes. But I think I can see just what you mean, for when we travel through direct conscious immersion within the light of the Unified Field... we become what we merge within, as symmetrical reflections of the whole.
I feel that from my own tiny vantage point, it's more specifically about realizing that you/I/we/they always have been the essence of the Light, the core vibration of life itself and we have always been beings of universal conscious-awareness. 8)
The mind can be a filmy membrane, however, which clouds this truth from our direct experience of reality. But when we discover our unification within the Sacred expanse, and fully grok the REMEMBRANCE of this truth, we then rightly come to understand that we are all God (always have been, always will be). Polarity has no place within the Godhead.
Everything is God, as is the no-thingness of the insubstantial Void... or said "Deity" is not the Supreme state and very source of all conscious-awareness. There is no separate entity that is God Almighty (and by proxy, nothing else is Divine), as this implies that we are non-Divine life forms. An isolated self is the greatest of illusions. Those damn overly-religious folks have spun that false yarn. "God" is not Jupiter, Jehovah, Vishnu or Odin, or any humanly concocted deification.
And our bizarre humanoid need to project anthropomorphic qualities of the Sacred Field is rather silly. I honestly feel that God is all that exists, as a field of infinite intelligence, eternal balance and absolute harmony.
I can respect your stance, there can be no true divisions between the Creator and the created. Symmetry is the most Holy of all phenomena. And I'd add that the Godhead is not Godly, if said God is apart from all else in this vast and ever-changing Omniverse.
Sure, "Godhead" is a human word, a human concept and an idea born of human values. This does not necessarily mean that because we conceptualize of a Sacred presence, that it is a misnomer or a fairy-tale (as Steven Hawking mocking states). I humbly submit that what ought to consider, is that when we expand our minds, we glean a deeper and more symbiotic interrelationship with God, ourselves and all others. We are One, a singular process.
In such a symbiotic unity... just who is apart from the other? God is an indivisible presence, not a judgmental Lord ruling over imperfect and sinful entities (themselves toys created to manipulate). Sigh... it's time to lay that old jive to rest, eh? :thumb_up:
What is God?
Everything and Nothing.
In the dream state (life), it appears as something. I suspect that those who are expecting, when they die, to find God to be something large and powerful will be greatly disappointed to find that the source of all existence is actually nothing. Or who knows, maybe death does provide some glorious experience..... but that too shall pass. Ultimately, behind the veil of all perception is nothing.
I think the trick is that people expect God to be SOMETHING. Something grand of course, since God is supposedly the creator of everything. But what people don't realize, is that our perception of somethingness can only manifest due to infinite nothingness that is below our typical perception. After all, why pay attention to nothing? All this stuff we experience as something is only temporary perception within nothing. It is the nothing that is actually the underlying eternal reality. So I imagine that many egos will be upset to find out that the universe is actually nothing.... until they become the reality of which they at first glimpse in horror. lol. Or I'm a guy talkin out his ass thinking he knows more than he does.
Everything and Nothing.
In the dream state (life), it appears as something. I suspect that those who are expecting, when they die, to find God to be something large and powerful will be greatly disappointed to find that the source of all existence is actually nothing. Or who knows, maybe death does provide some glorious experience..... but that too shall pass. Ultimately, behind the veil of all perception is nothing.
I think the trick is that people expect God to be SOMETHING. Something grand of course, since God is supposedly the creator of everything. But what people don't realize, is that our perception of somethingness can only manifest due to infinite nothingness that is below our typical perception. After all, why pay attention to nothing? All this stuff we experience as something is only temporary perception within nothing. It is the nothing that is actually the underlying eternal reality. So I imagine that many egos will be upset to find out that the universe is actually nothing.... until they become the reality of which they at first glimpse in horror. lol. Or I'm a guy talkin out his ass thinking he knows more than he does.
shanedudddy2
Rising Star
There is no answer, only opinions and conjecture.
Both the existence of God, and the absence of God are outlandish ideas in my mind... but one of them must be true.
I am agnostic for this reason.
Both the existence of God, and the absence of God are outlandish ideas in my mind... but one of them must be true.
I am agnostic for this reason.
Ayawasqero
Rising Star
,Deus sive natura´ says Spinoza.
You are an honest person and that's pretty cool, my psychoactive friend. I like honestly above all other human characteristics and I feel a frank response is most paramount for any open discussion. Which is a fascinating process and a riddle for all of our consideration.shanedudddy2 said:There is no answer, only opinions and conjecture.
Both the existence of God, and the absence of God are outlandish ideas in my mind... but one of them must be true.
I am agnostic for this reason.
From my own experiences, all I can say is that a day has not gone by for over 54+ years that I have not been, on some level or another, acutely aware of God (to whatever degree I was able to be attuned to the idea of a Divine presence).
"God" to you, may not be totally or even partially symmetrical to my own understanding, am I right? All views have deep value and I sincerely honor yours. That's quite understandable if we surrender to the idea that the collective dreamscape we share is even remotely a true representation of reality as we know it.
And who would be surprised that our own unique perceptual vistas and original mind-sets are small bits of the possibilities of knowledge? As I see it, much of the overall fuss is derived from our limited linguistic semantics and frail human conceptualization.
Arguably, what is "God" is up to the subjectivity of the observer, that soul who contemplates the nitty-gritty of this and that. but I'd have to follow that I have had innumerable experiences that wholly validate the reality of an Omniscient consciousness, one that incorporates all vantage points collectively and remains wholly ineffable, in it's own mysterious nature (one that knows no conceptual dichotomy).
It's a wonderful subject to consider, but I sure hope we can all lay our ideological conceptions aside long enough to compare notes civilly and graciously, and bring this idea to light in a harmonious and friendly manner. I am most enthusiastic to hear other opinions, other perceptions and impressions. You guys rock!!! :thumb_up:
Somewhere in my early high school years, an acquaintance asked me "What is your art?" I didn't know how to answer this because, to me, art was a particular type of expression and I was not an "artist" in that sense. Now I think that all people possess the ability to be creative, and a person's art is their outlet for that creativity.
Likewise, I like to think that everyone has a god, even atheists. Everyone worships something. Everyone considers something to be sacred. Spirituality is an ability that all humans possess, and a person's god is their outlet for that ability. At least that is how I think of "God" these days.
Likewise, I like to think that everyone has a god, even atheists. Everyone worships something. Everyone considers something to be sacred. Spirituality is an ability that all humans possess, and a person's god is their outlet for that ability. At least that is how I think of "God" these days.
god is energy, and we're all made of it (obviously).
heirarchies create the illusion of superiority.
heirarchies create the illusion of superiority.
benzyme said:
best answer yet..
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Nathanial.Dread
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benzyme said:
Bingo! I've always favored Einsteins' theory of a Unified Energy Field. In this manifest universe, God is surely the quintessential core-energy which animates and inhabits all the myriad forms which materialize into being and eventually, return to the Void.
Yet, God is also beyond any duality. Energy is the polarity of inertia. God is the totality and the primordial cause of existence. That no-thing which initiates quantum fluctuations and so, triggers the substantiation of itself. God is simultaneously unformed, ineffable and wholly transcendent of any appearance or division.
There is a wonderful Sanskrit invocation form the Avadhuta Gita:
तत्त्वमस्यादिवाक्येन स्वात्मा हि प्रतिपादितः ।
नेति नेति श्रुतिर्ब्रूयादनृतं पाञ्चभौतिकम् ।। २५।।
tattvamasyādivākyena svātmā hi pratipāditaḥ /
neti neti śrutirbrūyādanṛtaṁ pāñcabhautikam //25//
In English: By such sentences as "That thou art," our own Self is affirmed. Of that which is untrue and composed of the five elements - the Sruti (scripture) says, "Not this, not this."
god is pretty much just a 3 letter word.
God = the sum total of everything. Including nothing.
The infinity of the infinite.
Or, as Jamie said, a three letter word (and I add: to explain that which we either cannot explain or can never be expressed or explained).
The infinity of the infinite.
Or, as Jamie said, a three letter word (and I add: to explain that which we either cannot explain or can never be expressed or explained).
Arguably, while this is so, it does point to the not so uncommon spiritual reality, that the Godhead experience is both well-documented in human history and an innate potentiality our species keep encountering (with or without entheogens). Perhaps it's a random but highly repeated hallucination/delusion... or perhaps it is evidence of human kind's innate hard-wiring, part of the organisms perceptual capacity to be able to have such higher-frequency perceptual epiphanies?DeMenTed said:
Your "God" is a three character noun, I've no doubt. So, I can see how you'd assess the Sacred One as a literal phenomenon, crafted by mortals. And who can deny that more often than not, God is a human construct, as it were... but so are all other words and ideas. As are four letter words and all other potential numeric arrangements of letters. Great Spirit, Brahman, Ahura Mazda, YHWH, Tao, Allah...jamie said:
Naturally, as a Neo-Pantheist, you do not want to engage in any religious/contemplative beliefs and/or spiritual ideologies. And that's totally cool. Most of it is mental stuff and composed of dogmatic theories. As long as you don't denounce any other beings their right to entertain such grandiose religious endeavors, you are most wise and quite worthy of much admiration.
My "God" is not a word, a concept or dogmatic entity ruling over separate parts of itself. It is the sum of life itself... and that Infinite Field of Supra-consciousness which existed before multidimensional life was even projected into manifestation. 8)
Sure, in many cases "God Almighty" is merely a conceptual idiom perpetuated by fear and blind faith, a human projection used to further perpetuate the stratification of social dichotomy and levels of hierarchy. Sadly and all too often, it is a way for limited entities to grok the limitless of the Omniverse. People are seemingly flawed by the limits of their understanding and capacity for thought-frequencies beyond the scope of our ordinary organic perceptual data reception.
In other cases, it is a window into a view of the living awareness of the singularity of the Divine Being, which in and of itself. It is a constant companion, a palpable presence and the innermost quintessence of all that is and will ever be. :thumb_up:
Yes. Beyond the beyondest attempt to grasp the ungraspable... but also, that which is so intricately and immanently indwelling, it remains unseen until the mind stops thinking within the loop of it's habitual modality.jbark said:
I sincerely believe that we can each and everyone of us, shift our attention through freedom of choice, our intent and our degree of concentration... to directly perceive the interconnection in action and intuit the symmetry of the Indwelling Spiritus in resplendent bloom.
Who can say with any certainty... but I believe that humanoids would be wise and of sound mind and equanimous moral character (together collectively), to scientifically modify our paradigmatic view into the reality about the Godhead experience itself, and the eternal vibration of the Supreme Deity humming along in the core dimension.
When I use a term like "Supreme Deity", it is with the cravat that by supreme I mean interconnected, wholly inter-fused and inseparably symbiotic within the totality of the Grid. That's the mysterious nature of the Void... interwoven within the fabric of perceivable substantiation. This is the 21st century and I do agree, we surely can do better than false gods... that we do need new models of Divine Mind and the glory of the Absolute. It's so obvious in Nature and palpable in wild places.
Nope... it is directly a reflection of my small understanding of how the Spirit is BOTH all that exists and something quite beyond the compression of the phenomenon of the time-space-continuum. In fact, as long as one holds on to one's individuality, one can never merge into the Unified Field and taste Immortality. Just sayin'...hug46 said:
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Having not experienced a godhead experience. A feeling, a very reductionist thought. (yet, still an insane one) is that the "light", the godhead experience. That one that is described so often. Is actually the sun, or atleast the core energy that lights up the sun. Light itself. But i have already rejected this notion upon writing this post
I refer to my post Robert A. Monroe. A hero? - Open Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus here, which is basically an excerpt of one of Robert Monroe's awesome books.
It describes a unified consciousness somewhere out in the multi-verse is actively trying to reach totality. Not having reached it yet. It also described that some individual souls have actually gained totality. Only, they have never returned..
Quite a paradox imo, if the individual is able to experience totality i do not understand why there is a need for any unified consciousness to grow in number. But.. I accept the possibility that the whole experience is a metaphorical explanation for the underlying forces that govern the universe..
On the other hand, these beings seem to me more like Bodhisattvas. Able to reach out to the totality. But desire to tag friends along on this rainbow ride. Since the being is composed of billions of individuals. Those are a lot of friends to tag along for the ride.
I refer to my post Robert A. Monroe. A hero? - Open Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus here, which is basically an excerpt of one of Robert Monroe's awesome books.
It describes a unified consciousness somewhere out in the multi-verse is actively trying to reach totality. Not having reached it yet. It also described that some individual souls have actually gained totality. Only, they have never returned..
Quite a paradox imo, if the individual is able to experience totality i do not understand why there is a need for any unified consciousness to grow in number. But.. I accept the possibility that the whole experience is a metaphorical explanation for the underlying forces that govern the universe..
On the other hand, these beings seem to me more like Bodhisattvas. Able to reach out to the totality. But desire to tag friends along on this rainbow ride. Since the being is composed of billions of individuals. Those are a lot of friends to tag along for the ride.
That's exactly what I am saying, you got it spot-on. It's undeniably a paradoxical conceptual scenario and most contradictory on many philosophical levels. But humanity has a unique and perplexing set of thought-forms available to recognize and interpret. Spiritually speaking, the individual merges into the un-individuated indivisible and then, re-emerges back into subjective perception. I call it, "the eclipsing". It's inarguably a trance-state and the fusion is bound by cyclical rhythms (expansion and contraction).hug46 said:
Such is the pulse of the pendulum of conscious-awareness in transition. Especially this is so with psychedelics, as we find these higher frequencies accessible in temporary waves. The definitive quantification the experience is the remembrance of the immensity of the unity and an increased sense of awe and wonder about existence itself.