What is the best ratio to use for 100g of bark?

[Mushie_Man]

I currently use 750ml Irish Spring water, 60g 100% Atlantic Sea salt, 100g lye, 100g bark and then 200ml solvent in a 1.5 litre Kilner clip top mason jar. I mix every 30 minutes 8 times. I then freeze precipitate and re-ex. I'm new to all this and get OK results but can I make this better? Any help is greatly appreciated for a noob like me

 

[DMT Lexus]

It could be way better I think. You use too much lye and few water in my opinion.
I'd try to extract with ratios: 100g powdered MHRB, 1250 ml of destiled or RO water, 40 grams of lye, and 125 ml of non-polar solvent. Warm water bath for every pull, water is heated up to 70C. Just this, no salt or anything. Water has to be as pure as possible.

I had 2.05% yield with this technique. I've made 9 pulls and every pull I have heated, gently turned it round/roll (NOT SHAKE!) and yielded some DMT. I've used the same solvent for entire extraction making freeze precip every time. Then re-use the solven for the next pull. After the 3rd pull I've add about 50 ml of solvent more. 2.05% of DMT in result.

 

[Mushie_Man]

Thanks for the reply pal. I was using salt as an experiment but think I will stop it now as I feel I am not using it right. Is this the ratios for 100g of bark you use? Also have you ever used Mad man tek for 500g of bark? Do you have any good video teks for bigger amounts of bark? I appreciate your help

 

[DMT Lexus]

Thanks for the reply pal. I was using salt as an experiment but think I will stop it now as I feel I am not using it right. Is this the ratios for 100g of bark you use? Also have you ever used Mad man tek for 500g of bark? Do you have any good video teks for bigger amounts of bark? I appreciate your help

Yes, this is the ratios for 100g MHRB. If you gonna extract from more bark you can multiply the amounts. And add 70ml of NPS for every more 100g of bark. For example, 200g MHRB, 80 g lye, 2500 ml pure water, 190ml of non-polar solvent.
If you'll do a proper extraction with 200g of MHRB it will lasts you for a long time smoking.

 

[Pandora]

Mushie_Man,

Welcome to the Nexus.

I would like to direct your attention to the Wiki link above and to the left. If you click on that one of the top things is a bunch of DMT extraction teks which can show you various ways and ratios.

I would encourage you to experiment. Do a bunch of small extractions, like with 10 to 20 grams of root bark and try some of the teks, by following the instructions to the letter. Make notes on your results. Proceed accordingly. You ARE your own scientist and experimenter here.

In general I embrace a KISS approach given that I am a middle aged cook and not some young gun chemist.

I usually prefer a very simple STB with 100 grams lye for 100 grams bark, 1500 mL water and 100 mL non polar solvent per pull.

I follow Noman's tek and make my basified solution, let it sit for an hour or two then add naptha, and gently rock and rotate my jar for at least a minute. Let it sit for 10 minutes until I see distinct layers then repeat the procedure 3 more times.

I pull the naptha off the top into another vessel then repeat the add naptha and rock jars procedure at least 3 more times, safely heating the solvent at the end by immersing the open container in a hot water bath that is not connected to anything with heat or electricity.

I hope this helps. The best path is your own. DMT is special. It is worth the time to do the research.

Again a warm welcome to you.

-Pandora

 

[DMT Lexus]

I had lower yield with Noman's tek with the same bark. There is no point to use so much lye, it made my DMT yellowish and destroys the bark to jelly. I've experimented and figured out that this ratios I've described here working the best for me. 2.05% yield. I had only 1.4% yield with the same bark with Noman's tek.
At 11.7 pH 99.9% of DMT salt is freebased so there is no point to use more lye.

 

[Mushie_Man]

Thanks so much for your help guys! I have a kilo of MHRB and I'm doing different methods and trying to lock down a good one but all advice is helpful at this stage as I understand at the chemistry level what's happening I just wanted to know was there any other tips. I am new to this site so I am so hopeful to see so many others like me that devote their time to exploring the mind and

 

[Voidmatrix]

I use Max Ion every time, but widderic's tek seems promising.

One love

 

[Toshido]

I use Max Ion every time, but widderic's tek seems promising.

One love

Thanks for the shout out. Really proud of that TEK, but still much to work out. 15 more extraction tests to go.

Currently this is my build. Currently getting a 1.4% yield.

50g Powdered MHRB
50g NaOH
850mL Distilled H20
50mL Vinegar
45g Non-Iodized Salt
250ml Naphtha (I do 5 pulls of 50mL, sometimes I do 6 and then evap down before freeze precip)

I'll have some experiments coming up with using less lye, I believe a 1:1 ratio to be TOO much even though Earthwalkers ACRB TEK recommends exactly that. I think a 4:3 or 2:1 would suffice, but I'm still doing other extraction tests before I get to that, and it also has to do with your water volumes and how protonated the acidic solution is (salting).

If I were to double my recipe for 100g MHRB I would still use a 1000mL beaker and flask I think, and this is just my guesstimate as I haven't tested it so...

100g Powdered MHRB
100g NaOH (75 prob plenty)
900mL Distilled H20 (550 for acidic solution, 350 for basic solution)
75mL Vinegar
75g Non-Iodized Salt
250ml Naphtha

Looks like I'd overflow, but I wouldn't because I'd be straining the MHRB thus losing 100mL from discarding (saving) the bark.

I use an Erlenmeyer flask on a hot plate, so my goal is to have my solution close to 1000mL so that when I do my pulls they are up at the neck and much easier to pull. Just trying my best to streamline it. But so far, so good.

 

[ABe©eDarian]

For both dmt extractions and mescaline extractions I've always used equal weights of dry powdered plant matter and sodium hydroxide. Kinda knew I was overdoing the lye, especially the times I used filtered tea instead of plant matter in my main extraction vessels.

Mushie_Man & widderic, your crystals look nice.

 

[Mushie_Man]

Thanks for the replies guys I don't get notifications so only seeing them now. Can I add vinegar to the base and not heat it? I am so confused by all the different teks I just want some easy advice but people have a tendency to try confuse the situation a lot lol

 

[Mushie_Man]

For both dmt extractions and mescaline extractions I've always used equal weights of dry powdered plant matter and sodium hydroxide. Kinda knew I was overdoing the lye, especially the times I used filtered tea instead of plant matter in my main extraction vessels.

Mushie_Man & widderic, your crystals look nice.

How do you get them thick crystals mine are so small I just can't figure it out and I keep getting more confused by people always arguing about who's right and who's not. Do you have a video tek of this method to follow please?

 

[Mushie_Man]

I use Max Ion every time, but widderic's tek seems promising.

One love

Thanks for the shout out. Really proud of that TEK, but still much to work out. 15 more extraction tests to go.

Currently this is my build. Currently getting a 1.4% yield.

50g Powdered MHRB
50g NaOH
850mL Distilled H20
50mL Vinegar
45g Non-Iodized Salt
250ml Naphtha (I do 5 pulls of 50mL, sometimes I do 6 and then evap down before freeze precip)

I'll have some experiments coming up with using less lye, I believe a 1:1 ratio to be TOO much even though Earthwalkers ACRB TEK recommends exactly that. I think a 4:3 or 2:1 would suffice, but I'm still doing other extraction tests before I get to that, and it also has to do with your water volumes and how protonated the acidic solution is (salting).

If I were to double my recipe for 100g MHRB I would still use a 1000mL beaker and flask I think, and this is just my guesstimate as I haven't tested it so...

100g Powdered MHRB
100g NaOH (75 prob plenty)
900mL Distilled H20 (550 for acidic solution, 350 for basic solution)
75mL Vinegar
75g Non-Iodized Salt
250ml Naphtha

Looks like I'd overflow, but I wouldn't because I'd be straining the MHRB thus losing 100mL from discarding (saving) the bark.

I use an Erlenmeyer flask on a hot plate, so my goal is to have my solution close to 1000mL so that when I do my pulls they are up at the neck and much easier to pull. Just trying my best to streamline it. But so far, so good.

How do you get them thick crystals mine are so small I just can't figure it out and I keep getting more confused by people always arguing about who's right and who's not. Do you have a video tek of this method to follow please?

 

[Mushie_Man]

I use Max Ion every time, but widderic's tek seems promising.

One love

Thanks for the shout out. Really proud of that TEK, but still much to work out. 15 more extraction tests to go.

Currently this is my build. Currently getting a 1.4% yield.

50g Powdered MHRB
50g NaOH
850mL Distilled H20
50mL Vinegar
45g Non-Iodized Salt
250ml Naphtha (I do 5 pulls of 50mL, sometimes I do 6 and then evap down before freeze precip)

I'll have some experiments coming up with using less lye, I believe a 1:1 ratio to be TOO much even though Earthwalkers ACRB TEK recommends exactly that. I think a 4:3 or 2:1 would suffice, but I'm still doing other extraction tests before I get to that, and it also has to do with your water volumes and how protonated the acidic solution is (salting).

If I were to double my recipe for 100g MHRB I would still use a 1000mL beaker and flask I think, and this is just my guesstimate as I haven't tested it so...

100g Powdered MHRB
100g NaOH (75 prob plenty)
900mL Distilled H20 (550 for acidic solution, 350 for basic solution)
75mL Vinegar
75g Non-Iodized Salt
250ml Naphtha

Looks like I'd overflow, but I wouldn't because I'd be straining the MHRB thus losing 100mL from discarding (saving) the bark.

I use an Erlenmeyer flask on a hot plate, so my goal is to have my solution close to 1000mL so that when I do my pulls they are up at the neck and much easier to pull. Just trying my best to streamline it. But so far, so good.

Also what do you use to grow your crystals? Looks like they're still in the Erlenmeyer flask there

 

[ABe©eDarian]

How do you get them thick crystals mine are so small I just can't figure it out and I keep getting more confused by people always arguing about who's right and who's not. Do you have a video tek of this method to follow please?

In general with freeze precipitation the faster the crystals form the smaller the crystals, and crystals that form very slowly bring about the larger crystals. So directly into the coldest freezing temperatures bring about fast crashing out of the smaller snow flakes, and some way of very gradually decreasing the temperatures over longer periods of time would bring about the larger crystals. Some newer freezers and refrigerators have built-in digital thermometers that allow you to set exact temperatures. With only dials that go from cold to coldest you could achieve this to some degree and also some time in the refrigerator prior to being placed in the freezer could help, however disturbing the solution and forming crystals would be disturbing the creation of larger crystals. (Taking out of the fridge and placing in freezer.)

I have seen it said that extremely slow evaporation of clean solvent with clean dmt in solution can create very large crystals such as jars with small holes in the lid left to evaporate very slowly. I have never done this and I do not have a video tek.

 

[Mushie_Man]

Thanks man I used spiritveghead tek and worked great but ever since I started to experiment I'm not liking the yield. I appreciate your help bro and if I get it locked down I'll post an update

 

[ABe©eDarian]

No problem buddy. I think you're doing very well so far and your results look like simple recrystallizations could have your product quite clean and pure. I am not the most advanced around here on this subject and there may be some others who could help you to a greater extent.

 

[Mushie_Man]

No problem buddy. I think you're doing very well so far and your results look like simple recrystallizations could have your product quite clean and pure. I am not the most advanced around here on this subject and there may be some others who could help you to a greater extent.

I appreciate it man and I almost rather have someone my own level talk with me cause some people just make things so overcomplicated when they don't have to have you ever tried spiritveghead tek it's really good?

 

[Jmills5211]

It could be way better I think. You use too much lye and few water in my opinion.
I'd try to extract with ratios: 100g powdered MHRB, 1250 ml of destiled or RO water, 40 grams of lye, and 125 ml of non-polar solvent. Warm water bath for every pull, water is heated up to 70C. Just this, no salt or anything. Water has to be as pure as possible.

I had 2.05% yield with this technique. I've made 9 pulls and every pull I have heated, gently turned it round/roll (NOT SHAKE!) and yielded some DMT. I've used the same solvent for entire extraction making freeze precip every time. Then re-use the solven for the next pull. After the 3rd pull I've add about 50 ml of solvent more. 2.05% of DMT in result.

I'm going to try your way I usually stick to the 100 gram lye 100 gram rootbark, but I think I'll try your way.
Thanks for the tip