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What psychedelic is less likely to cause bad trips?

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69ron

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Which psychedelic is the LEAST likely to cause bad trips. This is not about which is KNOWN to cause the lest bad trips, but which psychedelic actually does cause the least bad trips.
 
I have never smoked bufotenin, so i can't tell about that compound. I have some vilca, but haven't found the time yet, to extract the bufotenin. The calmness of ayahuasca makes it mentally very 'safe', i think.
Oral cannabis can give you trips as heavy as with LSD. Some people cannot stand it and become totally paranoïd, but it makes me feel so comfortable that i don't think bad trips are likely to occur. And when they do, the tranquility induced by it would make it easy to get out of the negativity.
 
SWIM feels that dmt is the best...SWIM has only heard of 1 or 2 people that have had BAD experiences..but that had to do with other medications the person was taking...he feels that if you do dmt in the right way..its too fast to have a bad experience with it..they can be weird and earth shattering..but SWIM has smoked a LOT of dmt..and eaten a lot of dmt..and has yet to have a BAD experience...weird YES..but not bad...and bufotenine is right up there..but unless you have pure bufo..nausea does add some negativity to the whole thing
 
I have no idea which one will win. I'm excited to see the results at the end of the week.
 
Because of DMT's short duration many people feel more comfortable with the intensity and effects. But the dosage levels should be worked up. Mushrooms also have a low rate of "bad trips" most bad trips seem to be from LSD as it is a very psychological compound and very different than other tryptamine and phenethylamines. Some of the 2c- are gentler as well. But any of these substances can cause a bad trip, it is the set and setting more so than any single compound. Take these compounds with respect, with a friend (the first few times), in a safe environment, with no commitments or obligations. Just relax and go with it.

Think of it as a wave in the ocean. You know when you go out there that you may get tossed around a bit, there is no point trying to panic and fight it, trying to find which way is up during the tumble, in the end you will always reach the surface and end up back on the shore.
 
Yeah, it's almost impossible to get a bad trip from mescaline (or the cacti SWIM has tried). If it wasn't for SWIM’s recent experience with smoked freebase bufotenine, it would be a toss up between mescaline and mushrooms. SWIM picked bufotenine, because it just causes visuals, and almost no mental effects at all, so I can’t see how a bad trip is even possible. In that respect, bufotenine is not a full blown psychedelic because it’s missing the typical mental and emotional effects of most psychedelics. At least it's that way for SWIM.

I think for some people mescaline is probably one of the friendliest full blown psychedelics around.
 
bufoman said:
most bad trips seem to be from LSD as it is a very psychological compound and very different than other tryptamine and phenethylamines.
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Exactly, it’s the strong psychological effects that make it more prone to the “bad trip” phenomenon. It’s unique to LSD.

While set and setting have something to do with it, these terms were invented specifically for LSD to help understand the “bad trip” phenomenon specific to LSD. Mescaline was studied far longer than LSD ever was, and it wasn’t until LSD became popular that the “bad trip” term became part of our vocabulary.

Many will tell you that mescaline, while similar to LSD in many ways, is far friendlier that LSD. Hence, there was no need for the term “bad trip” until LSD hit the scene and replaced mescaline use virtually overnight. Suddenly “bad trips” were popping up all over.

I’ve read lots of work on the Native American use of peyote and “bad trips” are virtually unheard of among members of the NAC.
 
Well I think we should define what a "bad trip" is.

I've had uncomfortable experiences on San Pedro, but it was mainly physical reactions.

DMT is NOT even close to the top of the list. I've been to hell before with DMT, however because of its short duration it is not all that bad.

Mushrooms can lead to a bad place, I've seen it quite a few times and experienced it once. The long duration mixed with an overpowering experience can lead to an unpleasant experience.

Aya doesn't really give "bad trips" because even the most uncomfortable experience brings rich and powerful life changing healing...however, it can be EXTREMELY overwhelming and uncomfortable at times.

The only one that I cannot fathom having a bad experience on is 2C-I. While it can provide a very rich and rewarding experience with plenty of eye candy it is very gentle on the psyche. The worst that I have had happen is uncontrolable giggling for 2-3 hours.

2C-E can be a bit much for some people esp at doses above 20mgs.
 
acolon_5 said:
Well I think we should define what a "bad trip" is.
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Yeah, I think I allowed it to be too vaguely interpreted.

A bad trip is when you’re mind is flooded with negative emotions and negative thoughts that keep looping over and over and you can’t get it out of your mind. The whole trip goes south and you just want the trip to end. It’s usually triggered by bad set and setting. This is normally an LSD phenomenon, but can happen with other psychedelics for some people. The terms “bad trip” and “set and setting” have their origin rooted in LSD usage. They were termed specifically for LSD, but now people use the terms very loosely.

A “bad trip” is not simply being shown something bad about yourself. Mescaline can show you things about yourself. That’s enlightenment. It’s a “bad trip” when the negative thoughts keep hammering in your head over and over, in a loop, along with negative emotions, and you can’t stop it. You feel extremely emotionally depressed during the bad trip episode.

A “bad trip” is not being scared by horrifying visions. Freebase bufotenine can show you horrifying visions, and yet emotionally, you are fine. You might be a little scared, but you are not stuck in a depressing emotional loop that you can’t get out of.

A “bad trip” is not having negative body effects. That’s body load.


If you haven't done so, please take a look at the other thread:

What psychedelic is most likely to cause bad trips?
 
I can't really vote since I've never yet had a bad trip.


How is it that mescaline doesn't produce any bad trips? Is it not that psychological/mental? Never had cacti before.
 
Nanaki said:
How is it that mescaline doesn't produce any bad trips? Is it not that psychological/mental? Never had cacti before.
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Nothing is as psychological as LSD.

Mescaline is psychological, but not nearly as much as LSD is. It’s a friendlier experience, but can be just as powerful as LSD.

Mescaline has some similarities with MDMA.

Mescaline makes you feel fantastic. It's one of the most euphoric psychedelics there is. It's hard to have a bad trip when you’re feeling that good. In low doses it’s also said to be an effective aphrodisiac (SWIM can vouch for that).
 
Wow, so even the mentally-gripping side of pharmahuasca where speech was impossible, and ego was shattered, has nothing on LSD? I enjoyed that but it was freaking intense, as my body and time slowed down. I've never had LSD, but I guess some might have thought that ego loss was a bad thing, but I rather enjoyed it.

69ron said:
Nothing is as psychological as LSD.
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It's similar, but notice that so far no one has voted for Ayahuasca as being most likely to cause a bad trip in the other poll. But we have one vote for it being least likely to cause a bad trip in this poll.

For LSD there are lots of votes for it being the most likely to cause a bad trip in the other poll, and no votes yet for it being the least likely to cause a bad trip in this poll. That should tell you something about the psychological effects of LSD. They can be overwhelming, much more so than ayahuasca or pharmahuasca.
 
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