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What psychedelic is less likely to cause bad trips?

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69ron said:
It's similar, but notice that so far no one has voted for Ayahuasca as being most likely to cause a bad trip in the other poll. But we have one vote for it being least likely to cause a bad trip in this poll.

For LSD there are lots of votes for it being the most likely to cause a bad trip in the other poll, and no votes yet for it being the least likely to cause a bad trip in this poll. That should tell you something about the psychological effects of LSD. They can be overwhelming, much more so than ayahuasca or pharmahuasca.
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Since each type of shroom is different somehow, i cannot rule out the possibility that there are shrooms that are more psychological than acid. I find that some shrooms are more psychological then others anyway.
I find that the psychological effects of ayahuasca are more profound and deeper then those of LSD, but also much, much more manageable.
This has to do with the characteristics of LSD and ayahuasca. Caapi is calming while acid is sort of an 'emotional speed'. I would never compare acid with amfetamine but it is like a 'psychological amfetamine' in a certain way; it sort of energizes your feelings.
That's why they're harder to control on acid.
 
Can someone please explain to me why LSD and mushrooms have lots of votes in the other poll, but of the two only mushrooms have votes in this poll. That's very conflicting.
 
69ron said:
Can someone please explain to me why LSD and mushrooms have lots of votes in the other poll, but of the two only mushrooms have votes in this poll. That's very conflicting.
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Maybe it's the way the same question is being asked. 'Is LSD likely to cause bad trips?' could be interpreted as 'is LSD unpleasant?'. So then many people will say 'no' because LSD isn't by definition unpleasant. 'Is it unlikely LSD causes bad trips?' could be interpreted as 'is LSD a very manageable drug?' and this is a different question. And a question that reaches the core of the whole 'LSD is prone to bad trips' more.
 
perhaps it has something to do with the dosage? while LSD is extremely potent by weight...while mescaline is not...you need around 300mg for decent effects..and thats a lot of material to work with...now lsd..you only need say 120mics for effects...there isnt much room for messing up the dose...and also 5-meo-dmt is extremely potent and fast acting when smoked...5-10mg for a strong experience..there again there isnt much room for messing up the dose..

what is interesting though is that mushrooms...are far more easy to measure...BUT since the actives cant be measured by weighing the mushroom..you really have no idea how much psilo you are getting..

so its seems like the reason LSD and mushrooms are more likely to cause a bad reaction may be because of dosage...you cant tell how much LSD is on blotter...and you cant tell how much psilo is in a mushroom...

those are my two cents
 
Makes lots of sense Jorkest except what amount ayahuasca? Like mushrooms it’s very hard to know how much actives are in the tea until you try it, and yet no one voted for it as being most likely to cause a bad trip. So while I agree, accidental overdoses are a major cause of bad trips, the psychedelic used is still a major factor.

Another possibility is the LSD laced mushroom. This was commonplace when I was young. People would take exotic but cheap mushrooms like enokitaki, add a little blue coloring here and their to simulate the bruising effect of psilocybes, add 100 micrograms of LSD, and sell them as shrooms. Fooled lots of people. At the time, 1 hit of LSD sold for about $1. You could sell an acid laced mushroom for about $5-$20, depending on who the buyer was. This way, you could sell one hit of LSD for a lot more money.
 
yes most certainly there are compounds that are more likely to cause a bad trip...i think the interesting part about dmt is that even at extremely high doses(oral) you seem to be stripped of who you are..so its hard to freak out when there is no 'you' to freak out about...and SWIM also finds dmt a bit more sedated with maoi's compared to LSD..

also here is another idea..how easy is it to drink ayahuasca? and how easy is it to smoke dmt? its not. when you smoke dmt..its like you have to force yourself to do it..you have to stay conscious and determined long enough to get enough in you...and aya is gross tasting...and you have to brew it up..and it takes time and effort to do..

on the other hand..there is LSD..all you have to do is put a hit in your mouth..and its in you..just like that..no taste...no work making or preparing the chemical..there seems to be no ritual behind taking it...
 
The DEA a few years back found psilocybe mushrooms laced with THC, so lacing mushrooms with other compounds is still occurring. This could explain all the bad trips recently from mushrooms.

I also read recently about GHB-laced mushrooms.

SWIM always grew his own or picked them from the wild. Because of that, none of his mushrooms were laced with anything. Maybe that’s why SWIM never had bad trips from them?
 
hmmm laced mushrooms could very well be why there is more potential for having a bad trip...but as you said..SWIY always grew their mushrooms..or went out and found them...that shows intent and work at making the trip happen...once they make the decision to trip..SWIY either had to grow their mushrooms or go pick them...more time to prepare you mind and body for the trip..and you arent going out and buying them from some dude trying to make a buck off a very special thing..


there is another idea...perhaps it has to do with the whole buy and selling thing...perhaps it puts a dark cloud on the material...
 
I think, basically people just underestimate mushrooms, and then they suddenly find themselves in the middle of something that totally dwarfs LSD in every way. With ayahuasca, people probably know that it might be very unwordly or intense.
 
Apparently LSD-laced mushrooms are still being sold even today. Most are actually psilocybes, but are being "enhanced" with LSD.

This is why you don't buy drugs from drug dealers!

If you like shrooms, grow them or pick them, don't buy them. You have no idea what could be added to it. I've been reading up on this subject and I'm finding all sorts of things being added to shrooms found by the DEA.
 
69ron said:
The DEA a few years back found psilocybe mushrooms laced with THC, so lacing mushrooms with other compounds is still occurring. This could explain all the bad trips recently from mushrooms.

I also read recently about GHB-laced mushrooms.

SWIM always grew his own or picked them from the wild. Because of that, none of his mushrooms were laced with anything. Maybe that’s why SWIM never had bad trips from them?
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If you're 'trained'in handling LSD, then very powerfull mushroom trips are probably easy to deal with.
Thing is, that many people who try weak cubensis, may have certain expectations when they take shrooms. When they suddenly take azurescens in equal amounts, they might be totally surprised and overwhelmed. They get way more then they ever could even imagine then.
I can see that if you thought you where going to get just some gigles, and suddenly your room has changed into a 10dimensional shapeshifting knot of wires, this could totally freak you out.
 
just to note, ron, yes its possible some people out there may be having bad trips due to laced mushrooms, but I have seen people have really bad trips on mushrooms we picked ourselves, cubensis in the cow fields, so it also does happen..

In any case, I agree that it is much better to pick (or growing your own) than buying. SWIM only bought mushrooms twice, once in amsterdam and once in a festival, and it didnt feel so right (not because they were fake, but just because SWIM doesnt like buying psychedelics, its a bad start somehow, IMO it contradicts with the whole purpouse of these substances). Picking/growing/planting/sharing is the way to go
 
Many are not ready for the true beauty of the universe. I've loved what I've seen, and even I have not seen the tip of what's out there. I can't imagine having some of our more experienced member's really intense/bizarre trips. One of their 3's might be 10+ for me.

I know it gets weirder and weirder, but can't imagine the weirdness that 20+ year veterans encounter.

polytrip said:
I can see that if you thought you where going to get just some gigles, and suddenly your room has changed into a 10dimensional shapeshifting knot of wires, this could totally freak you out.
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Poll results for Monday, February 09, 2009, 6:00 AM

These are the poll results for What psychedelic is less likely to cause bad trips ordered by votes.

Code: 
Psychedelic                             Votes  Percent
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Oral Mescaline (or cacti)               9      52 % 
Oral Mushrooms (or psilocybin/psilocin) 2      11 % 
Smoked DMT                              2      11 % 
Oral 2C-I                               2      11 % 
Oral Ayahuasca (or pharmahuasca)        1      5 % 
Smoked freebase 5-HO-DMT (Bufotenine)   1      5 % 
Smoked 5-MeO-DMT                        0      0 % 
Oral 2C-E                               0      0 %
Oral LSD                                0      0 % 
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                                        17     95 % <-- an error in the polling system

These are the poll results for What psychedelic is most likely to cause bad trips ordered by votes.

Code: 
Psychedelic                             Votes  Percent
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Oral Mushrooms (or psilocybin/psilocin) 10     52 % 
Oral LSD                                7      36 % 
Oral Mescaline (or cacti)               1      5 % 
Smoked 5-MeO-DMT                        1      5 % 
Smoked DMT                              0      0 % 
Oral Ayahuasca (or pharmahuasca)        0      0 % 
Smoked freebase 5-HO-DMT (Bufotenine)   0      0 % 
Oral 2C-I                               0      0 % 
Oral 2C-E                               0      0 %
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                                        19     98 % <-- an error in the polling system
 
Poll results for Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:55:44 AM PST

These are the poll results for What psychedelic is less likely to cause bad trips ordered by votes.

Code: 
Psychedelic                             Votes  Percent
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Oral Mescaline (or cacti)               9      50 % 
Oral 2C-I                               3      16 % 
Oral Mushrooms (or psilocybin/psilocin) 2      11 % 
Smoked DMT                              2      11 % 
Oral Ayahuasca (or pharmahuasca)        1      5 % 
Smoked freebase 5-HO-DMT (Bufotenine)   1      5 % 
Smoked 5-MeO-DMT                        0      0 % 
Oral 2C-E                               0      0 %
Oral LSD                                0      0 % 
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                                        18     98 % <-- an error in the polling system

These are the poll results for What psychedelic is most likely to cause bad trips ordered by votes.

Code: 
Psychedelic                             Votes  Percent
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Oral Mushrooms (or psilocybin/psilocin) 10     50 % 
Oral LSD                                8      40 % 
Oral Mescaline (or cacti)               1      5 % 
Smoked 5-MeO-DMT                        1      5 % 
Smoked DMT                              0      0 % 
Oral Ayahuasca (or pharmahuasca)        0      0 % 
Smoked freebase 5-HO-DMT (Bufotenine)   0      0 % 
Oral 2C-I                               0      0 % 
Oral 2C-E                               0      0 %
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                                        20     100 %
 
In the latest poll results 2C-I moved up and is now second only to mescaline. So it looks like the phenethylamines are least likely to cause a bad trip with mescaline leading by a long shot.
 
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