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Also, You may want to reccomend "conversations with god" to her, by naele donald walsch.
From the sounds of it though, she'll probably dismiss him as being possessed by daemons too even though the book has really helped thousands of people; and I cried with joy the first time I read it; because I knew deep down it was true. really, really true. and have kept going back to it since.
Also: Im GLAD you are content with being humble and not richeous, like she is - if she *understood* her own relgion, she'd realise that its better to be humble than it is richeous; because thats what jesus (and all masters) would do.
From the sounds of it though, she'll probably dismiss him as being possessed by daemons too even though the book has really helped thousands of people; and I cried with joy the first time I read it; because I knew deep down it was true. really, really true. and have kept going back to it since.
Also: Im GLAD you are content with being humble and not richeous, like she is - if she *understood* her own relgion, she'd realise that its better to be humble than it is richeous; because thats what jesus (and all masters) would do.
Believing in demons is silly.
DarkShaman
Rising Star
eviljackalope said:
Ha ha ha!!! :lol:
mugwump77
Rising Star
how does she think her god was created? lol.
made up just like all of them, because to know eternity is impossible. at least with our wetware systems.
it's like saying you know all about Grand Theft Auto 4 because you've played Pong.
faith is nice. self-righteous conviction is just plain arrogant.
i hope that doesn't come across like a slam against your GF. it's really more of an opinion of previous fundies i have had the "pleasure" speaking with.
eviljackalope said:
This comment is unnecessary and unfounded.
Much Peace
Negative beings do exist just as positive beings do exist but its best to try and avoid contact with the negative beings, rather try and help her seek out positive beings and experiences. Maybe ask yourself the question if shes ready for a deep and mind expanding entheogen journey.
Much Peace and Happiness
Much Peace and Happiness
Aegle said:
I know this statement was probably meant as a joke, but I definately think there's some truth in this. Obviously people attitudes towards certain substances is going to vary an awful lot in different groups/areas and so forth, but most women I know have a much more objectional attitude towards the substances I use than my male friends.
I could never figure out if it was a lack of understanding or just a concern for my well being. But that's not to say I don't have male friends who seem to disapprove/misunderstand. It's just most of the time they seem to be female.
soulfood said:
Soulfood
Gee i think that this is a great generalization on your part, I think that it could be just the type of females that you are exposed to. It is really sad when people make and state these types of generalisations as all it does is make this type of thinking more prevalent which is not a positive thing. In many cultures around the world women are know as powerful shamans and healers and are greatly respected in those cultures. I think that this respect has been sadly eroded in the western culture and it is very unfortunate, women should be treasured more and given far more respect in the west.
Much Peace
Aegle said:
Yes, I believe I hinted at that in my post and there's absolutely nothing wrong with my friends or their opinion on what I do. They're entitled to it and I recognise that. It's called respect
Aegle said:
Then it's a good job that I have other reasons to respect people than by what substances they use.
I think you've taken what I said in the wrong tone and for that, I apologise. I probably could have worded it more precisely.
Lets pick a scenario you may be able to relate what I'm talking about more accurately. When I was 19, I used to use a lot of MDMA. Looking back on the whole thing it was quite irresponsible, but I'd be frequently using what by my more educated standards of today, I would call an overdose. Losing time, thinking I'm somewhere else, doing things that I had no recollection of until someone told me what I had done five seconds later, stupid stuff.
Now the important thing to remember here is that all of my friends of the time came from the same part of england and had very similar backgrounds. My male friends would think what I was doing was hilarious or never gave it a second thought, whereas my female friends thought I was self-destructing, that I was going to do myself some permanent damage, that I was addicted... basically the sort of behaviour patterns people would usually associate with a heroine addict. Needless to say I wasn't being very cautious, but it was no way near that level seriousness. However I appreciated the level of concern and understood it because my female friends are much more warm and caring than my male friends which is a quality I like about them. I assume this to be true of most women.
That's just an extreme, to show how the two attitudes seem to differ in my experience, but even today with my nice, friendly, plant-teachers, I still feel the same vibe about them from many of my female friends compared to very few of my male friends. Also, I do have female friends who don't use psychedelics, but encourage my use of them because they work for me, their just in the minority.
Further more I find your over-simplifacation of my female friends disrespectful
soulfood said:Further more I find your over-simplifacation of my female friends disrespectful
I was not over simplifying your female friends at all Soulfood I was just going by a statement that you said yourself about your female friends :Quote "I could never figure out if it was a lack of understanding" If your friends have a lack of understanding for your situation then it made me question the type of females that you are friends with and the fact that you choose to use them as an example of females in general.
I was greatly offended by your statement and generalization. But any way you feel how you feel, lets just leave it at that then.
Much Peace
As I said... could have worded the whole thing better.
I do want you to know that I'm not in this thing for confrontation and I don't want you to think I was baiting or anything.
cheers.
I do want you to know that I'm not in this thing for confrontation and I don't want you to think I was baiting or anything.
cheers.
back the to the OP,
obviously, she hasn't gone that deep into her religion.
Magic is only magic when we don't understand it. Jesus used kabbalah, and was then worshipped for it. Does that mean we should worship anyone that practices kabbalah? No. Also, in the bible it says not to have an image of god. Jesus = an image. he is supposed to be something we CANT comprehend or wrap our fingers around, that's a big part why he is so great. also, we are supposed to challenge everything...is she? tell her before she starts throwing out claims etc., she has to realize that her own beliefs are faulty BY HER OWN RELIGIONS RULES.
as far as demons existing? well, if we are capable of having a thought of them, they , to some extent, do exist. and they have great powers, but we shouldn't be afraid of them, because then they can control us, rather, we should use their power beneficially and be in control of them. run from dmt? if you look deep into religions, they all have snuffs of some sort that would be used on very specific occasions and were a mix of very specific things...not sure what christianity has, as they pick and choose what parts of the old testament they believe depending on what you're talking about, but yeah. There's demons in everything, there's angels in everything, but it comes down to you. I look into this a lot because im sick and tired of all the bullshit that's spread. also, if she continually keeps putting demons onto the dmt(talking negatively about it to the point where you will experience it negatively), remove her from the dmt equation. i know its sometihng incredible you want to share with the world, but when it comes down to it, how many people in the world are capable of taking something out of dmt? many will go deny the experience, go psychotic, you name it.
obviously, she hasn't gone that deep into her religion.
Magic is only magic when we don't understand it. Jesus used kabbalah, and was then worshipped for it. Does that mean we should worship anyone that practices kabbalah? No. Also, in the bible it says not to have an image of god. Jesus = an image. he is supposed to be something we CANT comprehend or wrap our fingers around, that's a big part why he is so great. also, we are supposed to challenge everything...is she? tell her before she starts throwing out claims etc., she has to realize that her own beliefs are faulty BY HER OWN RELIGIONS RULES.
as far as demons existing? well, if we are capable of having a thought of them, they , to some extent, do exist. and they have great powers, but we shouldn't be afraid of them, because then they can control us, rather, we should use their power beneficially and be in control of them. run from dmt? if you look deep into religions, they all have snuffs of some sort that would be used on very specific occasions and were a mix of very specific things...not sure what christianity has, as they pick and choose what parts of the old testament they believe depending on what you're talking about, but yeah. There's demons in everything, there's angels in everything, but it comes down to you. I look into this a lot because im sick and tired of all the bullshit that's spread. also, if she continually keeps putting demons onto the dmt(talking negatively about it to the point where you will experience it negatively), remove her from the dmt equation. i know its sometihng incredible you want to share with the world, but when it comes down to it, how many people in the world are capable of taking something out of dmt? many will go deny the experience, go psychotic, you name it.
bonestoner
Rising Star
there are hierarchies of angels and demons in the spirit realm. that is where dmt takes you. it is as big as the physical realm. say a prayor before leaving. seems to help. also make sure your mind is in order...seems pointless considering what is coming but it is neccessary. leave your fear here im sure demons would feed on it.
soulfood said:
No worries all is good, I'm not one for confrontation. :roll:
Much Peace and Understanding