What to tell your children about DMT

[Earthlova]

When my children is over 20years old i will talk to them about ayahauska and dmt.If they find it interesting and would like to know more about it i will teach them what i know.
I will be strict to them against other drugs,heavy drugs like cocaine etc i dont want them to abuse.

I must agree with Jamie,the school system is a big lie and i will do my best to keep them to the real truth.

 

[Enoon]

I'd have my kids read the Open Hyperspace Traveler manual if they asked me about drugs... m(_ _)m

no but seriously... I agree with jamie and CatholicPsychonaut - I'd want do educate my kids on this issue myself. Growing up in Eurpoe I had very little exposure to anti-drug propaganda. It's really not that brainwashing here as it is in the states. So living here I would have no problem with being honest about it - it would be very unlikely that the child would have very contradicting views on it since there is more silence here about drugs than propaganda, at least it was so during my stay in school. I even had a teacher who sort of hinted at having smoked cannabis to the whole class. While they are illegal here they are by far not as demonized by propaganda as they are in the states.

So the problem with the kids running to their teachers after seeing me smoke a joint or things like this... I don't think they would be much of a problem living where I do and if educated properly long before society imprints their brain with nonsense.

I like the example of the christians in china or other similar examples. If we are honest enough to our kids, they can understand the importance of keeping certain things on the low. At least this is what I would hope.

 

[farmaz]

The thing about children drinking ayahuasca comes up from time to time..some people get really bend out of shape about it too..but in reality far more people give their kids heavily caffinated soda, MSG, large ammounts of refined white sugar..they will feed them pesticides and herbicides, dirty tap water etc..

I bet those things are all gunna harm a child more than the occasional tiny little servings of ayahuasca that they have in some ayahuasca using tribes and daime communities etc. It is all about perspective I guess.

In our culture we are brought up to believe all kinds of dogmatic bs. So much of it starts with our education. When I was in school we had all these rediculous programs we were exposed to telling us lies about drugs..filling our heads with this crap..while we all went home and likely watched our parents sip alchol on certain occasions after being led to believe that drugs are bad and anyone who smokes a joint needs rehab and deserves to be detained etc. This is dangerous becasue a person could be the best parent in the world and not drink or smoke tobacco and do more for their kids than 90% of parents out there, and be caught once late at night smoking a joint and have their kid run off a tell a teacher.

I will not expose any children that I have to that sort of mind controll. I will make sure they are well educated and properly socialized but it wont be happening within the public school system. If I had children being raised within that context I dont know how safe I would feel having them know anything at all about my relation to these things until they are able to seperate the facts from the fiction that has filled their heads. Confusion is cultivated within that educational system. I know I sure as hell was confused and believe a lot of really rediculous crap based on what I was told about sex and drugs etc at school.

A culture that lies to it's children devalues it's future.

QFT yet again :thumb_up:

I said very close to what you did on my introduction piece, this forum is one of the best I have ever been on, it's got some very wise people on.

 

[Ringworm]

We keep it simple with our kids. We don't bring up the topic. I have a very open relationship with my kids (12 and 9). If they were to ask about them, we'd tell the truth. I have no interest in being a hypocrite with these things.

At the same time I see no benefit in telling my kids about my own usage before it's time. Or at the very least, I don't see the benefit in giving the "ok" to my kids to do certain things just because I did them. Would I be angry if my daughter smoked pot? not really, or at least if it were used responsibly. At the moment my daughter sees other pot smokers and drug users and has drawn her own very perceptive conclusions about them, and that is fine. She is not judgemental, but given her highly active lifestyle she couldn't see a future involving them at this time. Judging by my own lifestyle, my view points on things, and my music selection, my kids are smart enough to figure out where I stand on the issue. We also have been working at keeping an open dialogue with the kids about anything they are encountering, and it's working out well.

 

[Jin]

don't tell you're children anything people

when they are the right age send them to hyperspace and allow for them to learn on their own

also i am neither married nor having children so i suppose maybe i am not the best person to give advice on these matters

QFT

I am the same as you in the way of "i am neither married nor having children" but have a step daughter on the way (if my missus can learn to STFU & not demand sex from me when I want to sleep cause that makes me want to leave her)

Your post was short but with razor sharp accuracy, a true pleasure to read

i was just kidding , i have no idea what to tell kids on these matters ,

tell your children "it was a fun ride, but you kids are late for the party, sorry."

yes :twisted:

 

[TMK]

It seems like Ringworm is on the right track. The relationship shared between the family is the important element in this issue. If we are open and honest with our children, then they will respect and trust any advice we give them regarding these substances. It seems like there is a pattern here. Just as we must live our lives in an honest and respectful manner, in order to have a positive experience while using these medicines. The same could be applied to the way we raise our children. Being honest and respectful in their youth, can lead to positive experiences in their lives as they become young adults. Possiblely the same could be applied to society as a whole. :?:

 

[Ringworm]

yeah we all have mutual respect. it goes a long way.

otherwise:

 

[CatholicPsychonaut]

Ringworm, you and I have discussed this topic before. I respect your positions on it. I think you've got a balanced approach, the "don't ask, don't tell" approach, which might also be called the "don't tell TILL THEY ask" approach. I think it's a good one.

My own approach to this is going to be that same approach, tempered with inspiring my son's love of science and the supernatural, possibly getting him involved in some minor chemistry. I already discuss the home brewing process with him, and he is quite interested.

One thing I'd like to point out, it is MUCH easier to convince your kids of some new and novel concept, before the culture gets them than it is to try and go around convincing grown ups of this new concept, after they've become a part of the machine.

 

[Ringworm]

You can share the psychedelic teachings without sharing psychedelics.

 

[Joshua2112]

I now have two children, my son is now 9 and my daughter just turned 7. I have been thinking about this topic since the birth of my son and have a general sense of how I will deal with the topic of drug use. Like others that have commented I too feel open and honest responses to their questions are essential. Lying to them or misleading them will only negatively impact my credibility and have them doubting any information I provide if/when they figure out the truth regarding whatever I was not initially honest about.
I believe having frank discussions about drugs should occur sooner than later. Better to give them the right information myself rather than propaganda or street information from their young friends. I think I have already begun to lay the foundation for this as I already discuss a broad range of topics from the areas of spirituality, religion, psychology and sociology.
I think it will be important to start having frank discussions about the various catagories of drugs and which ones I consider to be dangerous with high potential for misuse/abuse, alcohol, tobacco, opiates, meth and cocaine being the primary substances of concern. I also believe having open discussions about addiction, escapism and how/why people can turn to drugs for the wrong reasons.
Beyond that my thoughts on discussing this subject get a little shakey. I started experimenting quite young, when I was in the 9th grade. I'm on the fense regarding if/when I'll discuss this. I'm a fatalist, I lean towards withholding this tidbit as long as possible but am leaning towards the complete truth if the question is directly asked and they are no longer young enough to jedi mind trick and redirect. Again, I feel if I lie and the truth comes out my credibility is shot and with this topic that is not acceptable.
That being said I believe I began my journey into altered states too early and for the most part for the wrong reasons and the drugs are bad perspective and demonizing of drugs sure didnt stop me or my friends. I think an open and honest dialog and the insight and wisdom of an elder, parent or not could potentially have delayed my use or perhaps at least influenced it enough for modest experimentation.
That being said the fact of the matter is the greater society is not enmeshed in the wisdom traditions and the demands, expectations and experiences of children, pre teens and teenagers are such that it is likely that early drug use is likely for the wrong reasons. I truly believe that without maturity, experience and psychological development even the substances I love and advocate the use of is likely to have a detrimental impact on the growth and development of children/teens.
I think by the time my son is 12 it will be time to start these frank discussions. I plan to talk to him at this time about not only the demon substances previously mentioned but also about the hallucinogens. I hope I can differentiate between substances of value that promote growth and spiritual/personal development from those that are for the most part pitfalls and traps with little value beyond escapism.
I think at that age of around 12 I will keep it simple and try to convince my son that while he may be curious and while some substances such as hallucinogens have great value he needs to grow and mature and develop before experimenting. He needs to develop a morale compass and strong sense of identity before experimenting. He needs to know that while these substances are not dangerous if used wisely and with proper intent, use without the wisdom and maturity of years can have negative consequences with far reaching ramifications. It's that whole "there's a time for experimentation and it's called college" cliche.
My biggest dilemma will be questions about my own use and when I started experimenting. This is going to be asked and almost assuredly will be asked as soon as the subject is explored in detail. Despite my previous comments about the need to be honest I still don't know what I will tell him. I am completely torn on this one. If I am honest I guarantee trust and can attest to the negative aspects of my early use culminating in a stint in prison for possession for the purpose of trafficking before I was 20 (thank god I live in Canada or I would likely still be in jail instead of the six months I served but that's a different story). Conversely there is a good chance he may form the opinion that aside from being caught and going to prison his father turned out fine so why not follow suite?
I truly don't know how I'll answer this question I don't think I'll know for sure till I'm asked. I will definitely be honest about my experiences I just don't know how I'll answer the "when did you start" question and also don't know whether I'll be honest about my experiences with the bad drugs and I've done em all. It's that whole do what I say not what i did dilemma. Again he might figure I turned out ok so what's the harm? God knows I never believed the stories about jonsing for crack and scanning the floor for dropped rocks and felt I could "just try it"
I do know I'll be honest about the effects of and my experiences with my beloved hallucinogens it will just be a mater of how much detail is warranted given my sons age when the discussion occurs.
I hope I have the courage of my convictions and pray I make the right decision and most of all I pray that whatever comes from these future talks my children stay safe, make their choices wisely and if they do choose to explore mind altering substances they choose the responsible safe use of hallucinogenic compounds over the other choices and experience all the mysteries of consciousness in the pursuit of growth, love and kindness.