What's the appeal to bufotenine?

[de]

All the reports I've seen so far for it seem rather unpleasant. It seems most definitely visionary, but why use it when you can (seemingly) get DMT just as easily and have it take you to the same places without all the body sensations? Just curious to hear what people who have used it have to say about it, it seems like a rather niche chemical.

 

[BringsUsTogether]

It's not as unpleasant as the reports suggest. When taken IV it has a lot of negative side effects but Ott demonstrated that these negative side effects weren't very present when insufflated or smoked.

Also, bufotenine might be limited in its effects because of its inability to cross the blood brain barrier. See here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DrugNerds/comments/2o7cmv/5acodmt_not_4acodmt

 

[Rundar]

As I understand it you can reduce the body load to some minor vasoconstriction with the right extraction tek:

^nausea is there but only for the first few minutes, mostly constriction though is what I get..then it fades and the trip really starts..for me anyway. I just smoke my dose slowly over a few minutes to lessen the side effects..it's not nearly as bad as the unextracted snuff though.

Here's a neat opinion on the body load from Jorkest, the guy who wrote the above tek:

one thing that i would like to point out...is that...while you MAY get nausea...it REALLY depends on the seeds...how well you toast them..and how fast you smoke it...the slower you smoke...the less nausea

and when mixed with dmt..in a joint...bufojam changa style...you smoke it soooo slowly..you may be getting between 0-1mg per hit or per few hits...but the dmt harmalas..and bufotenine all combine just so...to get you to a nice visual experience...slowly...without causing such STRONG side effects..because your intake is so slow...

seriously...the nausea..is NOT that bad...the constriction is more of a side effect for me..and i barely mind that at all...

dont let the nausea throw you off from this amazing molecule...its really got some wonderful properties..and is REALLY one of my favorites...ESPECIALLY mixed with dmt

Also, here's another good quote from jamie from this thread on the 5-MeO/Bufo subforum:

Bufotenine does not really get too interesting until you get to the breakthrough level IME. The heavy physical effects manifest below the level where it even starts to get visual..so you might as well go all the way with it at least once. It is not like a DMT breakthrough. You can still think about your phone that is ringing in the background etc when you breakthrough with bufotenine.

This is how the indigenous peoples do it. They take really massive doses of anadenanthera seeds..and that place is worth seeing in my opinion.

I think it just depends on how seriously you approach the molecule. That said, I don't have any experience with bufo just yet (soon!) but I wanted to learn for myself as well!

 

[jamie]

I have taken it a lot(50ish times or so)

I have written about it a lot

I have thought about it a lot

..and I concluded bufotenine is a horrible psychedelic. It is *very* rough on the body, and psychologically uninteresting. It produces strong visuals which is all it has going for it IME.. I have no interest in taking the stuff again.

5-MeO-DMT is far far superior.

 

[InLaKesh]

This thread inspired me to make a thread about my positive bufo experiences .

Bufo-Changa from Cebil Seeds - positive experiences - Bufotenine and 5-MeO-DMT - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[de]

This thread inspired me to make a thread about my positive bufo experiences .

Bufo-Changa from Cebil Seeds - positive experiences - Bufotenine and 5-MeO-DMT - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Will be keeping a steady eye on it, the responses to this thread has certainly piqued my interest about bufo.

 

[jamie]

really, this stuff has no real medical value for me. It is not healing for me, lacks the insight, euphoria and inspiration produced for me by DMT, 5-MeO-DMT and psilocybin. Bufotenine, is IMO, def not an entheogen. It is however, a hallucinogen...which was for me its main appeal. I could have strong hallucinations with it without much mental activity at all. I feel like taking it could be potentially hard on the heart due to the heavy vasoconstriction and I did once have very harsh side effects for over a day in my calf muscle from taking a high dose of it.

Seriously, I don't want people reading my old reports and thinking this is some kind of medicine on the level of mushrooms or DMT. I don't think it is.

 

[InLaKesh]

It defenitely is harder on the body than lets say mushrooms or DMT .
Be careful , vasoconstriction can get strong.
But for me the low dose combined with cannabis (best with a vasodilator like dark chocolat or a little ethanol) experience is very nice as a rare special that i am not so afraid of.

But who knows , maybe i change my mind sometimes.
Mushrooms and DMT/Aja/rue are main for me , Bufo is on pause right now...

 

[maranello551]

5-MeO-DMT is far far superior.

Experienced bufo for the first time a few days ago and then the day after, in the form of vilca snuff. Visuals (and perhaps even physical sensation) for me were indistinguishable from a lowish dose of dmt/psilocybin.

Nausea was very slight if present at all.

No vomiting experienced.

I found all this very appealing.

The snuff roa was admittedly not my favorite due to the largish amount of material one needs insufflate.

What appeals to me about bufotenine, as opposed to dmt is the rather large amounts of it found in the rather inexpensive raw material AKA abundance

To further the abundance is the fact that the active dose is lower than that of DMT.....

Bufo so far has come off to me as a more potent form/cousin of dmt with slightly more side-effects.....(which I have a hunch can be avoided)



Now....from what I hear, 5-meo is similarly potent to bufo, but it lacks in the visual quality....something I consider myself a connoisseur of......

What is the appeal of 5-meo and are there any easily obtainable natural sources in which it is abundant and from which it is easily extractable?

What makes you say 5-meo is superior to bufo if the effects truly are so different?

If 5-meo were like n,n but more potent I would understand the appeal.....
If 5-meo were as visual as bufo but without sideeffects I would understand the appeal.....

What's so great about this 5-meo compared to both bufo and n,n?

 

[MultiDimensionalTherapy]

i dont think 5meo lacks visual quality, because 5 meo is not about visuals at all, its about dissolution (IMO). its about becoming nothing, wich is the same as being everything. another thing thats remarcable in my opinion, is the way it makes you feel when you come back, that everything is in the right place. a well done 5meo session is always life changing for me.

and from my experience, smoking extracts that contain dmt + 5meo (in my case acacia obtusifolia and phalaris)gave richness, insight, high entity contact, and healing, that usually i dont experience with dmt alone.

im not a big fan of bufo myself, but i actually love the effect of changa after a good bufo dose.

 

[maranello551]

i dont think 5meo lacks visual quality, because 5 meo is not about visuals at all, its about dissolution (IMO). its about becoming nothing, wich is the same as being everything. another thing thats remarcable in my opinion, is the way it makes you feel when you come back, that everything is in the right place. a well done 5meo session is always life changing for me.

and from my experience, smoking extracts that contain dmt + 5meo (in my case acacia obtusifolia and phalaris)gave richness, insight, high entity contact, and healing, that usually i dont experience with dmt alone.

im not a big fan of bufo myself, but i actually love the effect of changa after a good bufo dose.

The ways 5-meo experiences are often described are reminiscent of salvinorin experiences......

I find it interesting that you're not a big fan of bufo.....is it due to the physical side effects? I found bufo to be nearly identical to dmt in terms of psychological effects and visuals....

 

[MultiDimensionalTherapy]

well, i can say i felt some degree of dissolution with salvia too, but not to the same level, and also not with the same results, more or less with the same feeling of mental quietness in the after glow, but not with the same emotional fullfilment. also much more confusing during the experience. but contrary to 5meo, i never did salvia in cerimonial setting, and it was really long ago. now that you make this comparisson, and i think about my past experiences, i kinda feel what you mean, probably i just wasnt so ready at that time, as i was for the 5meo recently, so i think i will spend some time with sally soon

i dont like bufo so much mostly because of the fisical effects yes, because now its very rare for me to take any medicine at all outside of group cerimonial context, where i need to be at service, and bufo makes me want to be lying, and warm and cozy, doing nothig. it also happens to the people i serve it to, and that kinda breaks the flow of cerimony.
but also because e never got anything relevant or with meaning from yopo. i find it similar with dmt in visual intensity, but not in visual thematics or realms where it takes you. i also dont feel its the same at psichological level either.
BUT everytime i take yopo or smoke bufo changa, and if after 10 minutes or so i smoke changa (specially with caapi harmalas and full spectrum jurema) it very often takes me to a palace of jewels, where a lot of healing happens, there was one time i was doing healing session with 2 very experienced friends, and we went deep on it, and all 3 of us where there in that palace of jewels, literally sharing the same experience.

i kind feel like bufo acts like a key for the dmt, opening doors to new realms and other possibilities (besides the ones that dmt already opens). but none of that happens with bufo alone, at least for me.