When did DMT Plants & Trees first appear on earth?

[yopoagogo]

You all are thinking very rigidly inside of a box about all of this...

I want you to think broadly about philosophical reasons as to the nature of your circumstance as a primate animal revolving around one sun of 300 billion in a galaxy of vast multitudes.

The message I am trying to get across is inuitive THE LIKILIHOOD of some apparant cause to be true or not.

For instance, most of you (even despite your multiple psychedelic experiences) are still operating under the premise of physicalism which is what is handed out to every western high school student(Worldwide Brainwashing). Phsyicallism is thus:

-There REALLY IS a physical reality OUT THERE and it's not just sense data in your brain.
-You REALLY ARE are one among billions of humans and not just one individual in a simulation imitating similar beings to yourself, (Matrix).
-You REALLY ARE actually in a place called "earth" in something called "the universe" which is a stable construction of space and time. You therefor are not actually in a multidimensional continuem where space and time merge into unfathomable constitutions just as a single dot merges into a straight line or atoms into material.
-It is most probably false that those "multidimensional unfathomable constitutions" have any impact in the meaning and purpose of your experience at every moment.

Let me remind you that there is no more evidence for Physicallism than there is for Dualism, Idealism, Atheism or even Solipsism. It entirely dependant on what you FEEL is intuitively a valid notion of whatever you experience.

The implications of your a circumstance here on earth seems to infer or rather imply intelligence to its construction of how it is the way it is (if there were no intelligence to all of this and there was nothing but chance in the universe, we would just be some inanimate piece of dust because the current entire construct of reality revolves around ORDER. Geometrical Order, Physical Order, Mathematical order and that order is a constitution of intelligence.

Therefor, forfeit your reductionist notions of blind evolutionism (evolution that serves no teleological purpose, that it is just to spread stupid microbes all over planets that turn into retarded thinking machines).

I really thought DMT was going to open a lot of people up to these sorts of things but from the looks of your replies it may just be another "recreational state" that gives the illusion of opening your mind up to wild interperations of reality.

Reference:
What is the probability of Multi-Dimensional Entities?

What is the probability of Multi-Dimensional Entities?

Supposing M-theory to be accurate, in your opinion what could be the probability of a form of consciousness (conceivable by the human mind or to the contrary) existing in any higher or lower dimensions. Alongside the thought of them taking a human form such as that seen in MIB 3

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why not just "accept" rather than "try to make sense of it all"?

I mean, was it "made for us" or not?
the point is, to me, that it is there in the first place. We will never know if anything was "made for us", we interact with our environment, our planets in many, many, many ways. DMT molecule is one of them, so is rock climbing or swimming or talking, breathing, whatever.

It's good to reflect, study and try to understand the world around. But I believe there are many, many, many steps before one could affirm or even present the question that "was this made for us?"

Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, we'll most likely never know the answer. But I sure believe that it's cool that it's there for us ("cool" being a huge understatement here, of course)

There is, obviously, a link between all living things and organisms here on earth. Maybe we were made for DMT (the other way around)

maybe the "aliens" thought "hey, that DMT thing looks cool, let's make an animal that would be blown away by smoking it, and see how that turns out!"

I don't believe we have that "special place" in the universe, maybe we do, but I don't really think so. We're self conscious and we have that ego thing going on, and love and all, but we're basically animals, barely more evolved than the other animals around.

the big bang happened -- if you believe in that theory (key word)

I like to believe that perhaps DMT is a reflection of our Divine Self, that everything on this planet reflects us, and that everything is a reflection of our inner nature being expressed....

The fact that we are hard wired for DMT, and that our brains actually produce it, allowing us to enter a dream state, is amazing in it's own right.

Thankyou for your answers, I concur wholeheartedly.

 

[steppa]

For instance, most of you (even despite your multiple psychedelic experiences) are still operating under the premise of physicalism which is what is handed out to every western high school student(Worldwide Brainwashing). Phsyicallism is thus:

-There REALLY IS a physical reality OUT THERE and it's not just sense data in your brain.

It doesn't matter if it REALLY is or not as we percieve what we percieve.

-You REALLY ARE are one among billions of humans and not just one individual in a simulation imitating similar beings to yourself, (Matrix).

If it wasn't like this, which may be the case...what would it change for us?

-You REALLY ARE actually in a place called "earth" in something called "the universe" which is a stable construction of space and time. You therefor are not actually in a multidimensional continuem where space and time merge into unfathomable constitutions just as a single dot merges into a straight line or atoms into material.

If it wasn't like this, which may be the case...what would it change for us?

AND...if all of the above things you mentioned were wrong, which may be the case...

How can you be so sure that DMT exists?

 

[hadoq]

I really thought DMT was going to open a lot of people up to these sorts of things but from the looks of your replies it may just be another "recreational state" that gives the illusion of opening your mind up to wild interperations of reality.

how could you ever hope having an open discussion with a mindset like that?

Maybe you're the close minded one here, judging others without knowing anything of them

 

[endlessness]

For instance, most of you (even despite your multiple psychedelic experiences) are still operating under the premise of physicalism which is what is handed out to every western high school student(Worldwide Brainwashing). Phsyicallism is thus:

Dont you think maybe it would be more appropriate if instead of making assumptions and absolute statements about people's premises and world views, and implying people here are brainwashed, you rather more humbly (and honestly) talk about what it seems to you, or maybe even better, ask people about their world view?

 

[yopoagogo]

Dont you think maybe it would be more appropriate if instead of making assumptions and absolute statements about people's premises and world views, and implying people here are brainwashed, you rather more humbly (and honestly) talk about what it seems to you, or maybe even better, ask people about their world view?

I see the most effective way to transpose my ideas is by making assumptions and statements about peoples premises and world views in order that people on the forum may gain some intellectual insight and hopefully see where there is room for re-evaluation... that is (IF THEY DON'T NAIVELY TAKE OFFENCE TO WHAT I AM SAYING AND LOOK AT WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY THAN WHAT I SAY ABOUT "THEM" SPECIFICALLY).

 

[yopoagogo]

I really thought DMT was going to open a lot of people up to these sorts of things but from the looks of your replies it may just be another "recreational state" that gives the illusion of opening your mind up to wild interperations of reality.

how could you ever hope having an open discussion with a mindset like that?

Maybe you're the close minded one here, judging others without knowing anything of them

I make my mindset known so that criticism may take place for my benefit, but you being so filed up in "taking offence" to what I am saying, have not properly thought out any decent useful criticism of which could benefi tthat particular viewpoint of my mind which you suppose is irregularly negative.

It's such a common reaction for alot of humans to not understand the ideas given without a direct reference to there own self if the message is directed to a "3rd person". Even though the original subject matter was written to the 3rd person, people subconsciously assume it is directed at them and in doing this activate emotions/norepeniphrine and disregard the higher cognitive understanding of the original message.

P.S. I believe your question was rhetorical so I will not attempt to answer it.

 

[yopoagogo]

For instance, most of you (even despite your multiple psychedelic experiences) are still operating under the premise of physicalism which is what is handed out to every western high school student(Worldwide Brainwashing). Phsyicallism is thus:

-There REALLY IS a physical reality OUT THERE and it's not just sense data in your brain.

It doesn't matter if it REALLY is or not as we percieve what we percieve.

-You REALLY ARE are one among billions of humans and not just one individual in a simulation imitating similar beings to yourself, (Matrix).

If it wasn't like this, which may be the case...what would it change for us?

-You REALLY ARE actually in a place called "earth" in something called "the universe" which is a stable construction of space and time. You therefor are not actually in a multidimensional continuem where space and time merge into unfathomable constitutions just as a single dot merges into a straight line or atoms into material.

If it wasn't like this, which may be the case...what would it change for us?

AND...if all of the above things you mentioned were wrong, which may be the case...

How can you be so sure that DMT exists?

It doesn't matter if it REALLY is or not as we percieve what we percieve.

Yes, you percieve what you percieve but blind perception means nothing unless you INTERPERET what you are percieving!:surprised

Therefor, interperitation means EVERYTHING! I mean that in the sense for example, of NIRVANA say... experiencing reality without any conceptual attatchment, this is still a matter of interperating perception, just in a radically different way from what is deemed normal but majority of people who inhabit earth.

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What would it change for us? On the surface no dramatic alteration may take place because you are only entertaining an alternative notion of reality and not employing it to be absolute truth.

If you were to employ it or rather "believe it" as absolute truth (which would require some type of indoctrination which may or may not be less or more than our current 12 years of schooling) there would be similar effects to my answer above. A shift in interperating information and especially in localizing information into different conceptual categories. For instance, if you were somehow to come to a inscrutable realisation which was nevertheless affirmed undeniable to your beliefs that other people were "phonies"... Would you interperate there intentions differently? If you were mentally dull, you might just brush it aside for ease of living and try to keep living in the old patterns of thought but if you had sufficient mental discernemnt & imagination you would investigate then analysis and build an entirely new structure of dealing with the "phony" peoples unexplicable intent and origin. The trouble with contempory brains is they lack a good deal of imagination... hence psychedelics.

As for precicely what it would change for us, no person can answer for they would have to be submersed in the experience itself to grasb the nature, understand & essence of it wholesomly.

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This is the same question only above universal architecture rather than personal circumstance although they are mutual they are mutally exlusive too.

The nearest I can write to you about this is the word Transcendance and I hope it is the reason for our existing in this universe... althrough I personally doubt it throughly, as the rest of nature seems to be nothing but a huge let down (Animals live all there life trying to stabalize there existence with food and sex only to fall prey to ravenous predators. Never did they entire in communion with intense boundry breaking experiences or transcend their restrictive intelligence. Although some offer the theories of reincarnation or heaven as a means of remuneration for the absolute abominable stale, boring, malicious and ultimately valueless nature of experience of existence especially as an animal.

But what would it change for us? It would be unfathomable to this current state but I am sure it would be beautiful given it is even possible (Like slamming on to someone 5 billion new sensory modalities!:lol: ).

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If all my assumptions were wrong (which probably IS the case as well as all assumptions about everything!) how could I be sure DMT exists?

That question is beyond my ability to analyse things but I will prefer to relate DMT to the nature of the substance that gives rise to it and myself included. Does that exist? It certainly seems counter-intuitive to think it DOESN'T exist... Mainly because like Descartes famous notion it is too hard to seperate experience from a certainty of being so ("being so" meaning existing as authentic, genuine, indisputably true).

Many Monks, Mystics & Psychonauts exclaim the self is not so. If the self is not so, even despite it's intuitive nature to seem real... What can be said about the nature of existence itself?

Supposing it isn't real, I would still feel that it might be very unlikely that we could have any capacity to realize that or even anything else about the nature of what gives rise to us. Just like computer programs can't escape the computer to know what a computer is itself.

 

[hadoq]

I really thought DMT was going to open a lot of people up to these sorts of things but from the looks of your replies it may just be another "recreational state" that gives the illusion of opening your mind up to wild interperations of reality.

how could you ever hope having an open discussion with a mindset like that?

Maybe you're the close minded one here, judging others without knowing anything of them

I make my mindset known so that criticism may take place for my benefit, but you being so filed up in "taking offence" to what I am saying, have not properly thought out any decent useful criticism of which could benefi tthat particular viewpoint of my mind which you suppose is irregularly negative.

It's such a common reaction for alot of humans to not understand the ideas given without a direct reference to there own self if the message is directed to a "3rd person". Even though the original subject matter was written to the 3rd person, people subconsciously assume it is directed at them and in doing this activate emotions/norepeniphrine and disregard the higher cognitive understanding of the original message.

P.S. I believe your question was rhetorical so I will not attempt to answer it.

and let me guess; you are "above" "alot of humans", right?

my point here is that you can not expect open debate, constructive debate when you pretty much state that you are a better being than the other people, dismiss whatever they say because they are "wrong" and "weak" and "not as advanced", and you're clearly so much better.

We had one like that a few days ago, he was the human race's last hope, friend of yours?

I believe you can lift yourself up in other ways than putting others down. don't believe you're "too cool" or "too smart" for that.

love, respect, consideration are a good way to go about when you talk to people. *especially* if you are smarter, better etc...


in your quote, you state that, other members of the nexus are most likely taking DMT as a recreational substance.

this is just wrong, false, should you read a little what the others say around here, you would know. but you assume, because people do not especially agree with what you say, that they are, in fact, no more than glorified junkies. This statement is offensive towards the community you just introduced yourself into, in short: it's rude and impolite

so what answer do you expect when you just introduce yourself to a community and start off by being rude and impolite?

This community, probably has a few people who are taking it on a recreational level. But it sure isn't the most of us. Should you look around a little, you'd see that there are indeed very intelligent people, who are using this medicine to improve themselves and expand their understanding of both the physical and the spiritual worlds. And in this statement of yours, you dismiss all that, claiming that you are clearly above everyone else.

don't you see what's wrong there?