Which Acacia's can be brewed?

[GreyArea]

Hiya, sorry to ask an obvious question..
maybe its not so obvious?

I know lots of wattles contain cynanide like compounds..or at least, through I knew this for some time..
plus the wicked plant fats and tannin's etc
but now I read of people drinking straight phyllode brews without maoi from tree's i'd thought were suspect in terms of what other damage they might do to you.

May I humbly request a UTSE pointer (or middle) finger to send me in the right direction?
Toward a list of 'edible' non-poisonous acacias for brewing..

BIG thanks

 

[acacian]

acuminata has been used for brews with and without maoi (i think it was the broader leaf strain that was orally active I'll have to double check though) and is reliable with clean dmt content. Acacia obtusifolia has also been used(i am unsure of the possible toxicity though)-as has acacia floribunda. A highly reccommended acacia for oral brew by nen888 here is acacia mucronata subs. longifolia which was apparently orally active on its own

 

[deadhor5]

I know confusa is orally active on its own as well, though i dont know the toxicity

 

[GreyArea]

Thanks guys.

I've read of Maidenii being brewed aswell.. (not sure how dangerous that might be)

And.. now i dont feel so strange reporting that maoi inhibition with A.Phlebophylla might not be so important either.

It'd be great to find a list..or some general rule by which to eliminate possibly dangerous brew candidates.. (i'm re-inventing the wheel here, aren't I)

 

[acacian]

A.Phlebophylla would likely require an MAOI... though there have been findings of beta carbolines in younger samples i believe...

with maidenii though you can't really just use any old tree you need to find the active strain.. there are photos of it on the "trying to improve acacia info" thread

 

[nen888]

..floribunda, maidenii, phlebophylla, acuminata (narrow phyllode) are the most tested in this regard..
obtusifolia would only be suggested for experienced acacians as it varies a lot (other alkaloids)
mucronata is multi-alkaloid and also not recommended for those new or unconfident in acacia experimentation..

acacias require a more rigorous diet (and probably attitude) than ordinary ayahuasca plants (p. viridis etc)

unless you are certain what's in the plant (through experience) best avoided

 

[GreyArea]

Thanking..

I wonder about defatted brews or semi-extracted brews too. Surely there are steps to take that would allow pioneers to be (less) in any kind of danger zone..(?)

And Nen, how exactly do you mean 'a more rigorous diet'?

 

[nen888]

^..a 'pharmahuasca' using extract would be a good starting point..

by 'more rigourous diet' i mean that many people do not bother to follow much or any of a diet with standard ayahuasca and have a fine time..acacias really do benefit from following a 'candida' type diet..acacias do have a lot of tannins, and those with more sensitive stomachs can't keep whole plant brews down long..

the recommended list are the most forgiving..

 

[GreyArea]

I've been digging a little deeper..
and its sad,
that a lot of Australian knowledge is still being retarded/supressed/controlled..
whatever
but i've some veterans of over at the corroboree warning against cyanide in the maidens,
and more strangely,
a chap whose rather fluent in shamanic circles and quite an avid explorer with wattles..
gives a clear 'stay away' from mucronata having testes many kinds from many places.

But when it comes to cyanide..can't be too sure!