Truthserum
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Ok I've been reading a lot of teks now. Could somebody tell me which tek works best since everybody seem to be little chemists? What I need is a very efficient and effective tek.
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Who knows the best DMT tek??
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Everyone wants an efficient and effective tek which is why this forum exists really and peoples experiences evolve and improve over time... Lots of research and reading helps and this place has everything you need... SWIM started with Nomans tek as is and got good results, you'll find some amendments to improve on that in a new thread... Today SMIM read Shoe's fast tek, and it sounds great especially with pulling the red spice afterwards which is a follow on project that will be explored...
Start there are they are easy to follow before getting into an A/B one and you will get a reasonable amount to play with... well thats what I think anyway...
Start there are they are easy to follow before getting into an A/B one and you will get a reasonable amount to play with... well thats what I think anyway...
shopdropper
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SWIM started out doing A/B extractions.but SWIM has just done a hybrid experiment cause SWIM wasnt yeilding what he should have. started out with normal acid soak in a crock pot 2 times on high (various lengths) and then when he baseified his solution he did a pull with hot naptha then chucked his bark back into the solution and added more NaOH (brought the pH from 11.5- 13+, but not excessive)
yes SWIM knows this is a very weird way of going about things but hey it worked for SWIM. he will post some pics of this spice it looks better than all his previous extractions (this was the last portion of a 2 pound score of mimosa)
So best DMT tek? SWIM will probably just go with Straight To Base for simplicity sake from now on. might do another hybrid experement for fun.
yes SWIM knows this is a very weird way of going about things but hey it worked for SWIM. he will post some pics of this spice it looks better than all his previous extractions (this was the last portion of a 2 pound score of mimosa)
So best DMT tek? SWIM will probably just go with Straight To Base for simplicity sake from now on. might do another hybrid experement for fun.
Basically you have two options - acid/base (like Marsofold's), and straight to base (like mine) - and untold versions of each to choose from.
This is assuming that you are working with MHRB and aren't going to be using any elaborate apparatus for recirculating solvent like a soxhlet extractor.
A/B's give a cleaner initial product, don't require tons of lye, and yield a bit better if you take the time to cook your bark for a couple of days.
STB's are faster (hours from start to finish) and that's about their only advantage.
So, despite having developed the tek that I stole and put my pseudonym on, my friend in Antarctica usually works with A/B methods unless he wants to quickly compare bark from two different sources or something like that.
As far as choosing a particular tek once one has chosen a general method, they're mostly the same - the differences lie in technique which I feel is up to the extractor. That's why I left those procedures out of my friend's tek and just included hard facts like what ratios os bark/water/lye/naptha worked best. Even those were based on materials and procedures in use at the time and now I find myself needing to make several amendments (long overdue) to allow for variances in bark (like pre-powdered) and technique (ammonia wash - it works for my friend but so many people have so much trouble with it).
That said, here's what I can tell you:
MHRB does NOT need a defat.
An acid extraction pH of less than 3 is unnecessary and can result in reducing your product to an oily yellow goo.
Teks that claim that the bark need not be ground up (lazyman's) are bullshit.
STB's require WAY more lye than that required to reach pH 13 to yield decently.
A pH of 13 is required with A/B's to avoid emulsions and get a decent yield. This one is hotly contested and something that my friend has been trying to get around for over a year in order to be able to use carbonate instead of hydroxide but thus for has always proved to be true.
Freeze precip is cleaner and allows one to reuse their NP and evap up yields everything that was pulled by the NP.
There's lots more, but these are a few guidelines to separate out what works from what doesn't.
It really doesn't matter if you separate your NP with a turkey baster, a sep funnel, or a siphon or cook your bark in a pot, double boiler, or crock pot - it all works just as well. it's a matter of what works for you.
This is assuming that you are working with MHRB and aren't going to be using any elaborate apparatus for recirculating solvent like a soxhlet extractor.
A/B's give a cleaner initial product, don't require tons of lye, and yield a bit better if you take the time to cook your bark for a couple of days.
STB's are faster (hours from start to finish) and that's about their only advantage.
So, despite having developed the tek that I stole and put my pseudonym on, my friend in Antarctica usually works with A/B methods unless he wants to quickly compare bark from two different sources or something like that.
As far as choosing a particular tek once one has chosen a general method, they're mostly the same - the differences lie in technique which I feel is up to the extractor. That's why I left those procedures out of my friend's tek and just included hard facts like what ratios os bark/water/lye/naptha worked best. Even those were based on materials and procedures in use at the time and now I find myself needing to make several amendments (long overdue) to allow for variances in bark (like pre-powdered) and technique (ammonia wash - it works for my friend but so many people have so much trouble with it).
That said, here's what I can tell you:
MHRB does NOT need a defat.
An acid extraction pH of less than 3 is unnecessary and can result in reducing your product to an oily yellow goo.
Teks that claim that the bark need not be ground up (lazyman's) are bullshit.
STB's require WAY more lye than that required to reach pH 13 to yield decently.
A pH of 13 is required with A/B's to avoid emulsions and get a decent yield. This one is hotly contested and something that my friend has been trying to get around for over a year in order to be able to use carbonate instead of hydroxide but thus for has always proved to be true.
Freeze precip is cleaner and allows one to reuse their NP and evap up yields everything that was pulled by the NP.
There's lots more, but these are a few guidelines to separate out what works from what doesn't.
It really doesn't matter if you separate your NP with a turkey baster, a sep funnel, or a siphon or cook your bark in a pot, double boiler, or crock pot - it all works just as well. it's a matter of what works for you.
There is not a "best dmt tek". The choice of tek depends on factors like starting material and available chemicals. Virtually however, all teks fall in two categories, A/B extractions or STB.
If SWIY's material is MHRB then STB will work pretty well and it is fairly simple. It requires a high pH (>13) and this calls for a strong base like NaOH, KOH or Ca(OH)2. SWIM is hearing that NaOH is becoming a watched chemical so if one cannot obtain a strong base will have to resort to a weaker base like sodium carbonate which is easy to obtain or make.
If SWIY cannot obtain a strong base and/or if SWIY's material is leafs, then a A/B extraction is recommended.
If SWIY's material is MHRB then STB will work pretty well and it is fairly simple. It requires a high pH (>13) and this calls for a strong base like NaOH, KOH or Ca(OH)2. SWIM is hearing that NaOH is becoming a watched chemical so if one cannot obtain a strong base will have to resort to a weaker base like sodium carbonate which is easy to obtain or make.
If SWIY cannot obtain a strong base and/or if SWIY's material is leafs, then a A/B extraction is recommended.
Truthserum
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Yea SWIM thinks he'll stick with the non-acid method for now.
Dwhitty76
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Swim has found the marsfold tech to be the easiest and most straight foward and only requires materials, you probably already have in your kitchen.Swim has done it twice and found it to be quite simple and he never past his chemistry classes .There are people here w/ a lot more experience than i that have more refined teks but i feel the marsfold tek is the easiest for a newbie.