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why salt with sulphuric acid over hcl?
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Interesting... So what your saying dg is that mesc sulfate can be recrystalized from cold water?
easily freeze-precipitated in acetone/water mixture.
maybe not-so-nice for people sensitive to sulfa drugs, otherwise, it makes no difference aside from the greater mass.
sulfate salts are easier to purify.
maybe not-so-nice for people sensitive to sulfa drugs, otherwise, it makes no difference aside from the greater mass.
sulfate salts are easier to purify.
Very cool. Swim may consider trying this. Does all of the mesc sulfate precip completely pretty readily or is it a "dmt in naptha" kind of scenario where some stays dissolved in solution and then needs reducing to precip more?
most of it will precipitate out, and the acetone/water mix evaporates pretty easily
Mmk. Thinking will be good to add 50 ml soln 25% h2o/75% acetone and mix well with heating (hopefully not all the acetone will cook off in 10 seconds?). Once hot if not all solids are dissolved will add more hot h2o until no more solids. Cooling should hopefully give some nice sulfate crystals.
sounds feasible.
I used 60:40 acetone:water (also heated in a water bath), but your ratio should work well too.
I used 60:40 acetone:water (also heated in a water bath), but your ratio should work well too.
here is where i first presented the dual solvent crystallization to the nexus, and discussion.
733mg quite pure mesc sulfate from 100g pedro powder. The phone pictures really dont do it justice.. they look way better in real life. Very light fluffy needle shaped crystals slightly offwhite that shimmer in the light. Unfortunately, Swim accidentally left the acid pull on hotplate too long and burnt some of it which surely reduced the yeild. Cleaned it up with a MEK wash and freeze precipitated from 75% acetone/25% h2o. Cant wait to try this stuff out :thumb_up:.
Doesn't the sulfate weigh more? I think you have to dose higher.
HcL is so damn easy to work with. I tried the sulfate once and will never again. HcL cleans up easy and excess HcL will evap. Powderize the HcL and put in an oven at 200 deg for 20 mins to evap any remaining HcL. Clean with multiple tone washes and re-x. :thumb_up:
Those are some pretty crystals tho....:want:
HcL is so damn easy to work with. I tried the sulfate once and will never again. HcL cleans up easy and excess HcL will evap. Powderize the HcL and put in an oven at 200 deg for 20 mins to evap any remaining HcL. Clean with multiple tone washes and re-x. :thumb_up:
Those are some pretty crystals tho....:want:
Bezerker said:
Ya mesc sulfate weighs alittle more than mesc hcl, but not much more becuase there are two mescaline molecules to every one sulfate molecule whereas there is only one mescaline molecule to every one hcl molecule. In this perspective it should weigh less than mesc acetate, and acetate is supposed to be stronger than hcl due to absorbancy. So who knows really? :roll:
Took 200mg of the mesc sulfate and went to a show and was suprised how strong it was it was a moderate trip, not strong by any means but got the job done well. Felt like 300mgs of the hcl Swim made before, either the hcl was alittle impure or sulfate absorbs better.
Gave some to a friend too at the show and he looked to be tripping good lol.
Gave some to a friend too at the show and he looked to be tripping good lol.
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