Why store pulls in the fridge??

[Travling Tommy]

Wondering about some things, and i am pulling right now...

What is the reason for storing the pulls in the fridge? (max ion tek)

will the Magic stick to the "fridge jar" and be a problem(stuck in the jar) when im going to put it in the flat dishes for Freeze Precipitaion?

 

[Entheogenerator]

Cyb suggests in his Max Ion tek that a person let the supersaturated pulls cool to room temperature and then place them in the fridge. The slower a person cools their solvent, the larger the crystals will be. If you follow this tek and use heated pulls like cyb suggests, even just letting the pull cool to room temperature will start to cause precipitation. Might as well just separate your pulls from your basic solution and put them straight into whatever dish you plan to use to freeze-precipitate, then once all your pulls are combined and have cooled to room temp, put them in the fridge like he suggests. Once they are cooled to fridge temp you can freeze-precipitate some very nice looking large clusters of crystals. :want:

 

[Tranzcentral]

No i think he means why are the first x3 pulls stored in the fridge.

Cyb explains this in his Tek, its to aid in eventual crystal formation.
It would also help for when you have all your pulls together and hit it with the cold fan for super saturation before they hit the freezer.

You can always throw your pulls into your glass Pyrex dish, which is sitting in an ice bath. Then your only transferring your warm solvent/DMT directly to the dish that will in up in the freezer.

 

[Entheogenerator]

No i think he means why are the first x3 pulls stored in the fridge.

Cyb explains this in his Tek, its to aid in eventual crystal formation.
It would also help for when you have all your pulls together and hit it with the cold fan for super saturation before they hit the freezer.

You can always throw your pulls into your glass Pyrex dish, which is sitting in an ice bath. Then your only transferring your warm solvent/DMT directly to the dish that will in up in the freezer.

Yea... that's what I just explained: why the first three pulls are stored in the fridge. :?:

Siphon off your first pull, put it directly into the vessel you intend to use for freeze-precipitation, leave it at room temp while you do the next pull. Do this for each pull, combining them in the precipitation vessel as you go, then once they are at room temperature, put them in the fridge. Once they are at fridge temperature, put them in the freezer. Then you'll have nice-looking large crystals clusters the next day...

Using heated pulls will supersaturate the solvent, so reducing with a fan is unnecessary. Putting the warm solvent directly into the freeze-precipitation vessel is exactly what I recommended, except you want to keep it at room temperature until all of your pulls are combined in the dish and have cooled to room-temp. An ice bath would completely defeat the purpose of cooling the DMT-containing solvent slowly.

 

[cyb]

Cyb suggests in his Max Ion tek that a person let the supersaturated pulls cool to room temperature and then place them in the fridge. The slower a person cools their solvent, the larger the crystals will be. If you follow this tek and use heated pulls like cyb suggests, even just letting the pull cool to room temperature will start to cause precipitation. Might as well just separate your pulls from your basic solution and put them straight into whatever dish you plan to use to freeze-precipitate, then once all your pulls are combined and have cooled to room temp, put them in the fridge like he suggests. Once they are cooled to fridge temp you can freeze-precipitate some very nice looking large clusters of crystals. :want:

^^This...
The slower you can cool the solvent, the larger the crystal matrix should grow.
You can go straight to freeze if you wish but I find the precipitate to be small crystals resembling powder.
It makes no difference, the end product is still the same.
Just aesthetically different.
If you are waiting between pulls, you may as well have the solvent cooling slowly (room temp then fridge temp) to give the Xtals the best chance.

Note: This may not be necessary if you are experiencing Goo.

 

[Travling Tommy]

Nice.. I had worries that the some of the x-tals would get stuck in the fridgejar add would be difficult to get out and into the flat freezing dishes, but that didnt happen (i only made 3 pulls and combined them in the fridge).
Looks like the last little bit of base partickles was stuck in the fridgejar, so i diddnt get this into the freezing dishes, thats a good thing,right?
Took some Pictures of the fridgejar so you can see if its baseparticles or something i wouldnt throw away? I think its baseparticles but not 100% sure.
And after evaporating the combined pulls with a fan it got wery milky, so in the freeze they went,and still are...

I found the defatting to be difficult as well, it was Three layers after swirling/shaking: plantmaterial,waterlayer and the naphta and fat layer... What was difficult is that i got a bit of the waterlayer as well. So i poured off both the waterlayer and naphta/fat layer in narrowewr container and used a spoon to remove the fat and naphta,then i poured the waterlayer back to the plantmaterial.Is this a bad aproach?

Thanks for the information and help:thumb_up:
TT

 

[cyb]

I think its baseparticles but not 100% sure.

It most likely is...
But it still could contain a significant amount of spice...I would be inclined to add a small amount of hot solvent to it, swirl and wait for the particles to sink...then pull and freeze.

Your defat approach sounds fine... :thumb_up:

 

[acacian]

i actually find i get the nicest crystal formations when I don't use the freezer at all.. I either leave it out at room temp over night or put in the fridge and it always seems to precipitate. i find the spice too powdery from the freezer whereas from a slightly warmer environment nicer quartz like crystals.. freezer sea urchins are nice though

 

[Entheogenerator]

i actually find i get the nicest crystal formations when I don't use the freezer at all.. I either leave it out at room temp over night or put in the fridge and it always seems to precipitate. i find the spice too powdery from the freezer whereas from a slightly warmer environment nicer quartz like crystals.. freezer sea urchins are nice though

After a re-x I will usually let the solvent cool for a couple of hours at room-temp, then after a couple hours in the fridge most of the crystals have already precipitated. But I'll usually stick it in the freezer for a few hours anyways, just in case there is still anything left in the solvent.

 

[Travling Tommy]

Hi cyb , good advice to "repull" the fridgejar-i will do that.

And acacian..i acctually made really cool x-tals the way you describe, by forgetting some saturated naphta in a vineglass. They were hard and transparent and look vicked,i havent been man enough to smoke then yet heres a pickture of the vineglass below.

I got a fair yeild of the Three pulls also..1243 mg. There was a lot of white fluffy x-tals, but a thing that bothered me when i was collecting/scraping it from the flat dishes was that there was a thin sticky layer underneath the white fluff, and the fluff was draged across the sticky layer and combined With it, to form a pinkish "flakey" substance....
I have experienced that before and what i did/will do again is to put that pinkishflakes in the fringe and chop it up to powder when its become harder the next day.
The pinkishflake powder is really Nice to smoke-gives me a unbeliveble warm universal "hug" and makes me feel wery included .. But when i smoke the white pure fluff theres semes to be a sharper and more intresting experience..is there another way to collect the fluff without mixing it With the sticky layer?? The way i scraped it With a blade i got 209 mg of white fluff and 1044 mg With "cosy pinkfalkes",(there was alot more fluff butt it got pressed against the gooey thin layer at the bottom) I was thinking about re-x but i always seem to lose 50% when i do it.

some Pictures of thet below also.

TT

 

[Travling Tommy]

And the cool x-tals in the vineglass...

 

[Entheogenerator]

Hi cyb , good advice to "repull" the fridgejar-i will do that.

And acacian..i acctually made really cool x-tals the way you describe, by forgetting some saturated naphta in a vineglass. They were hard and transparent and look vicked,i havent been man enough to smoke then yet heres a pickture of the vineglass below.

I got a fair yeild of the Three pulls also..1243 mg. There was a lot of white fluffy x-tals, but a thing that bothered me when i was collecting/scraping it from the flat dishes was that there was a thin sticky layer underneath the white fluff, and the fluff was draged across the sticky layer and combined With it, to form a pinkish "flakey" substance....
I have experienced that before and what i did/will do again is to put that pinkishflakes in the fringe and chop it up to powder when its become harder the next day.
The pinkishflake powder is really Nice to smoke-gives me a unbeliveble warm universal "hug" and makes me feel wery included .. But when i smoke the white pure fluff theres semes to be a sharper and more intresting experience..is there another way to collect the fluff without mixing it With the sticky layer?? The way i scraped it With a blade i got 209 mg of white fluff and 1044 mg With "cosy pinkfalkes",(there was alot more fluff butt it got pressed against the gooey thin layer at the bottom) I was thinking about re-x but i always seem to lose 50% when i do it.

some Pictures of thet below also.

TT

Re-x would be your best bet for removing the pink sticky stuff, but it is fine to smoke as is. If you're losing 50% from re-x then you're either doing something wrong or there is a tremendous amount of impurities in your spice. :?

 

[Travling Tommy]

Hi Entheogenerator.. the thing is that i dont loose all 50% its not like it disapears copletly/i explain things the wrong way sometimes, but a lot becomes sticky goo in the re-x glass and i dont feel safe on smoking that incase there is inpureties-but i was really careful this time to not get any of the baseified layer when i pulled,but then again i have thougts that there can be very small base particles in the naphta that gets pulled.
Maybe i shuld stop beeing to picky and just smoke it all

 

[Entheogenerator]

Hi Entheogenerator.. the thing is that i dont loose all 50% its not like it disapears copletly/i explain things the wrong way sometimes, but a lot becomes sticky goo in the re-x glass and i dont feel safe on smoking that incase there is inpureties-but i was really careful this time to not get any of the baseified layer when i pulled,but then again i have thougts that there can be very small base particles in the naphta that gets pulled.
Maybe i shuld stop beeing to picky and just smoke it all

There definitely can be microscopic droplets that make it into the nonpolar solvent. It's not like that sticky goo just appears out of nowhere, it is only produced during re-x if it was in your spice to begin with. It is usually recommended that after recrystallizing, one add more hot solvent to the impurities that are leftover in the vessel that was used for re-x in order to recover any DMT that remains. If you were to do this, I would be surprised if you lost anything close to 50% of your yield.

EDIT: There is nothing wrong with being picky about what you are putting into your body. I typically re-x and filter with activated charcoal to remove any discoloration, in order to yield something like +98% pure spice.

 

[Travling Tommy]

Good acvice. and i like the charcoal filtering you talk about.
Thanks

TT

 

[Entheogenerator]

Good acvice. and i like the charcoal filtering you talk about.
Thanks

TT

It's not necessary for purifying the spice, but it is the only way I have heard to remove discoloration. It works really well. There are more details about it on the re-x page in the wiki.