Yellow Solvent After Sitting For Two Weeks?

[ColorfulColorado]

Hello and thanks for looking!

Roughly two and a half weeks ago I began my foray into the DMT Universe with my first extraction on ACRB, the post is here: ACRB Extraction

After completing 3 and 4 pulls on two different batches, respectively, I allowed my basified mixture to sit with the remaining solvent I was unable to decant off; anywhere from ~20mL-40mL depending on the jar size.

Today, I got a wild hair up my booty & those jars kept staring at me, I had to see if there was anything remaining from my extractions, I get the feeling there's still quite a bit of goodies.

When I added more Naphtha in order to facilitate some more pulls, I noticed that it had turned quite yellow, reminiscent of the color of DMT N-Oxide. My question is, could the spice that was in the NP phase of my solution have oxidized in any way and caused the color change of the solvent? I did some research prior to posting & know that there is for sure plant oils/fats, which I expected as I did no defat prior to basification.

I also did a sodium carbonate wash on the total of my solvent & noticed that afterwards, this yellow color was even more pronounced. Anyone have any ideas? Is it just fats, or am I going to pull some tasty oxide crystals? Pics are included!

Thanks again!

EDIT: Forgot to add, I currently have the solvent evapping by half at which point I will throw it in the freezer for 24 hours & check the yield, if no yield then evap all the way & bioassay to see if there is anything leftover. The solvent was fairly cloudy though, and I think upon evap by 1/2 I should end up with something pretty psychedelic 8)

 

[Earthwalker]

Yea yellowing is from oils , but if you've only done 3-4 pulls there's a heap left in there ( that is if you're bark is of a high quality !

I've done up to 20 pulls on some of my first extractions , just keep pulling until it's spent , what have you got to lose ! :thumb_up:

 

[ColorfulColorado]

Yea yellowing is from oils , but if you've only done 3-4 pulls there's a heap left in there ( that is if you're bark is of a high quality !

I've done up to 20 pulls on some of my first extractions , just keep pulling until it's spent , what have you got to lose ! :thumb_up:

Very well spoken Earthwalker :thumb_up: there is quite the layer of precipitate forming on top of my solvent at the moment, using a fan to evap it down currently, it's looking TASTY, might even yield more than my first pulls COMBINED :shock:

I even saved the rootbark I boiled, and plan to run it through another 2 or three times, just to ensure, because I didn't use very much water & saturation wouldn't be hard to achieve. We shall see what chaos ensues from here on out, I might end up pulling straight crystalline spice on this pull if I can freeze precip without touching it(hardest part, I swear).

Overall though, allowing the solution to sit in the dark might have been the best thing to happen to me yet, helluva difference it's made :lol:

 

[Earthwalker]

Look check this TEK out it's super super simple

ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[ColorfulColorado]

Look check this TEK out it's super super simple

ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

I was actually checking out that tek the other day, didn't even put 2&2 together that you were the author! I'm planning to order a few kilos of RB & other supplies here in the next few weeks, I'll be experimenting with plenty of different teks & will be sure to throw a 250g pull in on yours, very nice Earthwalker! If I could post in the thread I would :lol:

 

[Winemaker]

See, SWIM's gotten a lot of yellow much from ACRB. It's a decent enough size that he says he's going to take all the gunk (everything harvested from freeze precip has been put into one mucky gooey pile) and he's going to do a mini a/b, with vitamin C (ascorbic acid) in the acid phase, to ensure any oxide is converted back, and all the fats are taken out.

He's had some decent xtal chunks but they were surrounded in goop so he scraped it all out before the next freeze precip.

I guess that's one thing about STB is you end up with the gunk, but it's fairly easy to fix it up.

 

[ColorfulColorado]

See, SWIM's gotten a lot of yellow much from ACRB. It's a decent enough size that he says he's going to take all the gunk (everything harvested from freeze precip has been put into one mucky gooey pile) and he's going to do a mini a/b, with vitamin C (ascorbic acid) in the acid phase, to ensure any oxide is converted back, and all the fats are taken out.

He's had some decent xtal chunks but they were surrounded in goop so he scraped it all out before the next freeze precip.

I guess that's one thing about STB is you end up with the gunk, but it's fairly easy to fix it up.

I did A/B, the goop is pretty typical of Acacia Confusa & I think it has more to do with the NMT content, especially in later pulls when the DMT is less & the NMT is more. A defat will most certainly help next time, but I think that goop might just be how this plant teacher wants to work for some people, crystals are definitely welcomed, but full alkaloid from ACRB has this certain feel to it, it's like the symbiosis between alkaloids was meant to be, especially when used in conjunction with some good caapi leaf, Item 9 for the world 8)

On a sidenote; just got done evapping my solvent by about 2/3rds, didn't want to work with 150ml so I took it down by another 70 or so. It just went into the freezer, we'll know by ~midnight mountain time if the pull yields crystal or goop.

 

[Earthwalker]

Good on you Colorfulcolorado soldier on mate , don't let the down side or mistakes get you down , ACRB is quite delicate and at times frustrating , but it's all a learning curve , once you dial in you're extracting skills it'll payoff in pocket loads of beautiful and soul melting moments or pure bliss and clarity !:thumb_up:

 

[ColorfulColorado]

So there's a nice thick layer of goo at the bottom. I'm hypothesizing that this is due to NMT content in the RB I ordered. It could be powdered trunk bark as well, which I believe has a higher NMT content. That's the only issue when ordering from the internet, you can't guarantee that you're getting what's being advertised.

I'm going to continue to pull and pull and pull until nothing precips when my last bit of solvent is evapped. I'm assuming the DMT content will go down, and the NMT content will go up, but I do know that NMT has some effects in it's own right(mild spacial psychedelic), and when used in combination with DMT, it's magical.

I really do think I'm going to continue with full alkaloid extractions on ACRB, the combination the plant teacher contains is so unique & so perfectly blended, it's amazing.

However, when I get my hands on the cash, and stock up on reagents, I do plan to pull some white crystals via defat & selective solvents. I can't help but get the feeling that the experience will be lacking though.

Good on you Colorfulcolorado soldier on mate , don't let the down side or mistakes get you down , ACRB is quite delicate and at times frustrating , but it's all a learning curve.

I completely agree with you Earthwalker, DMT extraction was my first foray into Chemistry & I'm actually starting my degree program for my BS in Chem in about 20 days. I plan to pursue my PhD in Neurosciences or MD in Psychiatry afterwards, depending on which one has more options as far as psychedelic research goes. I'm absolutely fascinated by the effects of this molecule on the brain & seriously look forward to research in the future on endogenous DMT. Thanks to the community as a whole for aiding me to take those first steps

 

[Winemaker]

So I've seen a breakdown before but can't think of where. Is NMT soluble in naptha? I know oxide isn't unless there's plant oils present in the solvent already...

 

[ColorfulColorado]

So I've seen a breakdown before but can't think of where. Is NMT soluble in naptha? I know oxide isn't unless there's plant oils present in the solvent already...

NMT is indeed soluble in nahptha, moreso in warmed naphtha(keep it under 120f, that's when it really starts to pull, if I remember correctly. I typically pull at 110f if I bother to warm my solvent) it takes it a little longer to dissolve into solution due to the fact that it's slightly oily/waxy, but it will dissolve with some stirring. Oxide isn't due to the fact that the hydrocarbon doesn't have anywhere to bond to the molecule, the Oxide takes up the position on the molecule(5 I believe?) where the Hydrocarbon WOULD attach. I could be wrong on that though.

 

[Al-Wasi]

Just made a thread similar to this in the DMT extraction section. If mods would rather combine threads go ahead and delete the other. I'll repost here.


So I've had around 50ml of naphtha sitting in a jar with a lid on it for a few weeks. The naphtha has some DMT in it as it consists of the leftover naphtha from a freeze precipitation. It has quit a bunch of floaters of DMT crystals that didn't stick to the pan and that I didn't catch when pouring off the solvent after freeze precipitation from two pulls. The quantity of DMT I don't know but I know there's a worthwhile amount in there. I digress though so let me get back to my point.

Originally the NPS was a slight yellow color. Now after sitting in this jar for a few weeks. There is quite a bunch of brownish oily things in the bottom of the jar. Today I placed it in a year bath and poured it into a pan to evaporate. After all the solution was transferred there's still a bunch of this oily stuff that was stuck to bottom of the jar that would not melt back into solution while in the heat bath. However all the little oily brown things are now in the pan evaporating with the NPS.

Does anyone know what this is ? I'm assuming it's either oils from the mhrb or its lye contamination combined with plant oils. Point being if I'm wrong and its active I done want to discard after it evaps and if its not active I don't want to mix when scraping with whatever DMT is present

 

[ColorfulColorado]

Just made a thread similar to this in the DMT extraction section. If mods would rather combine threads go ahead and delete the other. I'll repost here.


So I've had around 50ml of naphtha sitting in a jar with a lid on it for a few weeks. The naphtha has some DMT in it as it consists of the leftover naphtha from a freeze precipitation. It has quit a bunch of floaters of DMT crystals that didn't stick to the pan and that I didn't catch when pouring off the solvent after freeze precipitation from two pulls. The quantity of DMT I don't know but I know there's a worthwhile amount in there. I digress though so let me get back to my point.

Originally the NPS was a slight yellow color. Now after sitting in this jar for a few weeks. There is quite a bunch of brownish oily things in the bottom of the jar. Today I placed it in a year bath and poured it into a pan to evaporate. After all the solution was transferred there's still a bunch of this oily stuff that was stuck to bottom of the jar that would not melt back into solution while in the heat bath. However all the little oily brown things are now in the pan evaporating with the NPS.

Does anyone know what this is ? I'm assuming it's either oils from the mhrb or its lye contamination combined with plant oils. Point being if I'm wrong and its active I done want to discard after it evaps and if its not active I don't want to mix when scraping with whatever DMT is present

Based on what I went through, I would assume your hypothesis of lye contamination combined with plant oils to be correct. Try redissolving into 50mL naphtha, pour off into a jar, prepare a sodium CARBONATE wash, Bicarb will kill your yield. Do 50mL water + say 1/2-1tbsp of Na2CO3. Either add your solvent to the jar containing the wash, or add the wash to the jar with the solvent, roll end over end for a bit, you should see some particulate stay in the polar phase, this will also remove your lye. You can add salt to the carbonate wash if you want to bump up the polarity & ensure that your DMT stays in solvent. After that, decant off solvent, freeze precip or evap & the plant fats will stay there, but you'll end up with a much cleaner solvent, far less 'extra' goods with almost no impact on yield(as far as I can tell)

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Oxide isn't due to the fact that the hydrocarbon doesn't have anywhere to bond to the molecule, the Oxide takes up the position on the molecule(5 I believe?) where the Hydrocarbon WOULD attach. I could be wrong on that though.

Indeed. It's DMT-N-oxide, so the oxide forms on the sidechain nitrogen. Oxidation at the 5-position would form bufotenine or dehydrobufotenine.

The hydrocarbon doesn't 'attach' anywhere, it's acting as a solvent. There are Van der Waals forces, but no actual bond formation occurs in the process of solvation. DMT and DMT-N-oxide are different compounds and thus (generally) have differing solubilities in any given solvent.

Hopefully you'll start to pick up all of this when your course starts in a few weeks - good luck!

PS AFAIK DMT-N-oxide is an orange-brown oily substance (or at least closely associated with a further decomposition product(s) with such a color). Have you looked up zinc-acid reductions? Alkaline ascorbate reduction? Also, some prefer the oxide as being slightly more potent...

Pure white freebase crystals turn yellow then orange when left in even a small, sealed jar for a year or two. Ratio of crystals to airspace was reportedly about 1:20.

 

[cyb]

What are the current views, facts and theories on DMT-N-OXIDE?