Yohimbine as MAOI with Oral DMT

[futura]

I would like to take an oral dose of 200MG DMT Freebase mixed into Orange Juice to convert it back to a salt.

I want to take an oral MAOI at the same time also mixed into the Orange Juice to increase potency...

I was thinkin taking Yohimbine a few seconds before downing the OJ-DMT Mix

How much Yohimbine in MG should I take,Im either going to crush pills and mix with straight OJ or try to find a tincture and take that with the OJ...

 

[MagikVenom]

I do not use stimulants besides coffee anymore. I have use many in the past a yohimbine buzz is not a walk in the park if you over do it, it seems to have all the nasties effects of stimulants with little euphoria. I did a A/B on yohimbie and snorted about 30mg within 1min I could see my heart beat in my stomach on my wrists I would imagine my blood pressure and pulse were at dangerous levels if I had been tripping at the same time I would have been freaking out. I still have some of that extraction from over 10years ago did a bumb about 3years ago still very potent.

As far as I know the purified alkaloid is not illegal and would be a safer more controlled way to go about it. Read the reports on erowid last time i checked every high dose experience was very uncomfortable to say the least.

No way to determine how much to take it depends on the bark but you do not want to mix a high dose with psychedelics. I have no ideal what the threshold for MAOI effects are but be careful most find a high stimulant dose very uncomfortable. If you are determined to try it I would say experiment with the yohimbie alone first so you can get a ideal of the potency first. Make sure your blood pressure is normal as I am sure it will increase it even more than the DMT rush will. Me I am sticking to capi, be careful! good luck

Peace
MV

 

[futura]

Dont want to use Capi or Rue as I dont want ANY Nausea!!! Im planning on using yohimbe from a health food store...get some pills...crush them up and make a tincture to drink a few seconds before drinking the dmt freebase converted to dmt-salt by putting it in the Orange Juice...

would like recomendations on how much yohimbe to use in this way with 200-250 MG Dmt Freebase(Converted to Dmt-Salt)

for a proper experience...

 

[nadir]

yohimbe will kick your ass hard and you'll get paranoia (perhaps)
however i always wanted to try this combo, glad I read ron's post about combining yohimbine and shrooms.
but right now we've got a new guinea pig, so please report us the results

 

[Ginkgo]

Yohimbe is a very weak MAOI. Even extreme doses that will give you overstimulation, paranoia and fucked-up body effects, will not be sufficient as a MAOI for activating DMT. You have to use harmala-alkaloids. There are no way outside this. You may buy a pure alkaloid extract or extract the alkaloids yourself, but there are still possible you will experience nausea.

I do not understand what you make the big fuzz about... The purging is an important aspect of the healing effects of Ayahuasca. Ayahuasca is the name of the vine B. caapi, and also the name of any preparation containing it and any admixtures. If you do not want to purge, you can go for a Pharmahuasca experience, with pure DMT and pure harmala-alkaloids. Even then, however, there are a great number of people that experience nausea and purge. It is part of the medicine. This is a medicine, remember, not some video you can watch inside your head.

 

[Infundibulum]

Dont want to use Capi or Rue as I dont want ANY Nausea!!! Im planning on using yohimbe from a health food store...get some pills...crush them up and make a tincture to drink a few seconds before drinking the dmt freebase converted to dmt-salt by putting it in the Orange Juice...

would like recomendations on how much yohimbe to use in this way with 200-250 MG Dmt Freebase(Converted to Dmt-Salt)

for a proper experience...

Yohimbe is really a bad choice for MAOI. You already got quite a few replies stating that. Please try yohimbe on its own and then decide if it fits with you. For SWIM personally, even small amounts of yohimbe (e.g. less than a teaspoon) bring very unpleasant overstimuation, rushing and anxiety.

Please be responsible and research it as much as you can before trying potentially dangerous combination. The rule-of-thumb is that if you do not know about the effects of certain combination then you should treat it very carefully.

In your case, your rationale for using yohimbe is to avoid the nausea of rue or caapi! Think about it for a second! what makes you think that the side effects of yohimbe makes them more favourable compared to the side effects of caapi/rue? If nausea is the issue then you should ask:

"how can I reduce/avoid the caapi/rue nausea"?

Right?

 

[polytrip]

Dont want to use Capi or Rue as I dont want ANY Nausea!!! Im planning on using yohimbe from a health food store...get some pills...crush them up and make a tincture to drink a few seconds before drinking the dmt freebase converted to dmt-salt by putting it in the Orange Juice...

would like recomendations on how much yohimbe to use in this way with 200-250 MG Dmt Freebase(Converted to Dmt-Salt)

for a proper experience...

Caapi doesn't have to lead to any nausea at all.
Nowadays i use caapi standardized extracts from maya all the time, and they're very clean. They give full MAOI effect and very, very little side-effects.
If you use pure THH, you probably will have even less risk of naussea.

 

[Bert]

Dont want to use Capi or Rue as I dont want ANY Nausea!!! Im planning on using yohimbe from a health food store...get some pills...crush them up and make a tincture to drink a few seconds before drinking the dmt freebase converted to dmt-salt by putting it in the Orange Juice...

would like recomendations on how much yohimbe to use in this way with 200-250 MG Dmt Freebase(Converted to Dmt-Salt)

for a proper experience...

If you don't want ANY nausea, don't use ANY DMT. :lol:

Even pure Harmaline (or some other Harmala alkaloid) + DMT (salt or freebase) is going to cause stomach discomfort and nausea. How strong it is depends on your own susceptibility to nausea, but you'll never *not* feel it.

Remember, ayahuasca isn't just used as a mind-expander by South American shamans, but as an emetic (purgative). The purge is considered an essential part of the experience. I understand why you want to avoid it, but without avoiding ayahuasca altogether, you can't avoid the nauseating aspect, although you can diminish it.


Edit: If you have access to moclobemide or another pharmaceutical MAOI, that would lessen the nausea from the MAOI-side, but the DMT is still going to cause you stomach discomfort and nausea. I wouldn't recommend using a pharmaceutical MAOI, however, unless you know it is reversible (like moclobemide). Stay away from the irreversible ones, which will affect your monoamine oxidase levels for a while and require a tyramine-free diet (no meat, cheese, beer, etc.).

 

[futura]

Dont want to use Capi or Rue as I dont want ANY Nausea!!! Im planning on using yohimbe from a health food store...get some pills...crush them up and make a tincture to drink a few seconds before drinking the dmt freebase converted to dmt-salt by putting it in the Orange Juice...

would like recomendations on how much yohimbe to use in this way with 200-250 MG Dmt Freebase(Converted to Dmt-Salt)

for a proper experience...

Caapi doesn't have to lead to any nausea at all.
Nowadays i use caapi standardized extracts from maya all the time, and they're very clean. They give full MAOI effect and very, very little side-effects.
If you use pure THH, you probably will have even less risk of naussea.

What is pure THH???

Also I have Crohn's disease and nausea is very bad for me....thats whay I am asking these questions before trying anything...thanks to everyone for their advice...I really dont want an ayahuasca purge...just would rather ingest oral DMT than Smoke cause i have diminished lung capacity(Thats a whole nother story!!!)

Will Oral DMT work(Breakthrough) with out taking an MAOI?? and if yes at what dose?? Will I get nausea from just Oral DMT without an MAOI???

 

[MagikVenom]

Dont want to use Capi or Rue as I dont want ANY Nausea!!! Im planning on using yohimbe from a health food store...get some pills...crush them up and make a tincture to drink a few seconds before drinking the dmt freebase converted to dmt-salt by putting it in the Orange Juice...

would like recomendations on how much yohimbe to use in this way with 200-250 MG Dmt Freebase(Converted to Dmt-Salt)

for a proper experience...

Caapi doesn't have to lead to any nausea at all.
Nowadays i use caapi standardized extracts from maya all the time, and they're very clean. They give full MAOI effect and very, very little side-effects.
If you use pure THH, you probably will have even less risk of naussea.

What is pure THH???

Also I have Crohn's disease and nausea is very bad for me....thats whay I am asking these questions before trying anything...thanks to everyone for their advice...I really dont want an ayahuasca purge...just would rather ingest oral DMT than Smoke cause i have diminished lung capacity(Thats a whole nother story!!!)

Will Oral DMT work(Breakthrough) with out taking an MAOI?? and if yes at what dose?? Will I get nausea from just Oral DMT without an MAOI???

You should talk to your Dr you have issues that may safely prevent you from smoking. A a digestive purge is something that could have severe interactions with your Crohn's depending on its severity.

I would not recommend aya at all. Talk to your Dr. Oral DMT can cause a purge no matter how you use it. Smoking is bad for you lungs no doubt but consuming something that MAY cause a digestive purge for someone with Crohn's is asking for a trip to the hospital.

Yohimbe may increase blood flow to you penis in low doses and thats all that it is good for it is by far the nasties stimulant I have ever tried and I been on many multi day stimulant missions in my younger days and the nastie come down was a bed of roses compared to this mental and physical shredder that Yohimbe IS i speak for first hand experience not speculation . Super nastie stuff at moderated doses and up.


Peace
MV

 

[69ron]

Yohimbe may increase blood flow to you penis in low doses and thats all that it is good for it is by far the nasties stimulant I have ever tried and I been on many multi day stimulant missions in my younger days and the nastie come down was a bed of roses compared to this mental and physical shredder that Yohimbe IS i speak for first hand experience not speculation . Super nastie stuff at moderated doses and up.

I like yohimbe quite a lot in small doses. Some people apparently don't. I find it gives me a lot of energy and I don't feel any side effects from it unless the dose is super high. Everyone is different. It has absolutely no aphrodisiac effects on me. Gives me a ton of physical energy, and makes me feel nice and warm. Quite pleasant.

The MAOI effects of yohimbe are pretty weak. I doubt it will do much at all.

 

[MagikVenom]

Yohimbe may increase blood flow to you penis in low doses and thats all that it is good for it is by far the nasties stimulant I have ever tried and I been on many multi day stimulant missions in my younger days and the nastie come down was a bed of roses compared to this mental and physical shredder that Yohimbe IS i speak for first hand experience not speculation . Super nastie stuff at moderated doses and up.

I like yohimbe quite a lot in small doses. Some people apparently don't. I find it gives me a lot of energy and I don't feel any side effects from it unless the dose is super high. Everyone is different. It has absolutely no aphrodisiac effects on me. Gives me a ton of physical energy, and makes me feel nice and warm. Quite pleasant.

The MAOI effects of yohimbe are pretty weak. I doubt it will do much at all.

I agree but I still have excessive blood flow and I am prone to Blue Balls and the DSBs(deadly sperm buildup). Maybe in another few decades i can test these other effects. I believe the last time I looked the prescription came in 1 and 2mg doses. This is a very low dose that would have very mild stimulate effects barely noticeable for me at least. I agree very small doses have effects but to me are barley noticeable I find caffeine to be more enjoyable and beneficial as a mental stimulant. But yes it is a prescription drug that may benifit some but as of yet no noticeable effects on me either at least in that respect. So far extracted it, tried it, and it will sit in my chem cupboad unused by me as i have no use for it. Still have over 5grams of alkaloid from my A/B I am sure it will be a lifetime supply for me. It stores well in a air tight container and after about ten years is still as potent as the day I extracted it.

Peace
MV

 

[69ron]

Find someone like me who likes and let them take it off your hands

I regularly buy yohimbe. It's a must have herbal in my opinion.

 

[00]

Did you try this I want to know whether it works. Is yohimbine strong enough to make a trip.

 

[Ginkgo]

Did you try this I want to know whether it works. Is yohimbine strong enough to make a trip.

Yohimbe or it's main active yohimbine will not be sufficient as an Ayahuasca analog. Didn't you read the other posts in this thread?

 

[00]

Has someone tried it I didnt see.

 

[69ron]

SWIM has not.

Most of the data I've seen shows that whole yohimbe is a very mild MOAI, and that pure yohimbine is actually not an MAOI.

I doubt it’s going to work. Someone must have already tried it. If it worked, I think many people would be using it. Yohimbe is pretty popular among body builders. It’s very effective for that purpose. It gives you lots of physical endurance, more so than most other stimulants.

SWIM has tried yohimbe with mushrooms, LSA/LSH, bufotenine, mescaline, and a few others. All of them were pleasant combinations except the mushroom combo which lead to a ton of anxiety. He never noticed any MAOI-like potentiation, except with mushrooms it seemed to be present. I’m talking about whole yohimbe, not yohimbine.

I have not read of anyone trying to use yohimbe with DMT for oral activation. I think it’s not going to work. Otherwise LSA/LSH, mescaline, or bufotenine, should be potentiated when combined with yohimbe and they are not. It alters their effects, making them more visual, counteracting their vasocontrition, but doesn’t potentiate them. It does potentiate mushrooms greatly though, but in a very unpleasant way.

 

[Ginkgo]

I have not either (only with LSA/LSH and with cannabis), but I am absolutely sure it would not work. There are a vast numbers of MAO inhibitors out there, where the majority are not effective at all. Even chocolate (cacao) contains MAO inhibitors. So does tobacco smoke, and even blackcurrant. I would imagine blackcurrant is a better option than Yohimbe, since it in a test with 20 grams proved to inhibit MAO-A (the correct subtype for DMT) 37%. It does, however, also inhibit MAO-B 61% at the same dosage.

Yohimbe is an extremely weak MAOI compared to the effect harmala-alkaloids from B. caapi or P. harmala gives in sufficient dosage. I would compare the MAOI effect to a strong cup of cacao. It would not work neither theoretical nor in practice, it is really as simple as that.