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Yopo, shamanic experience.

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EarthTrust

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Hello, First off I would like to say that this was my first time experiencing any sort of DMT.
Yopo, for those of you who dont know. Its active chemical is 5-meo-dmt, which last about 45 minutes to an hour, and I believe now after smoking DMT over 100 times can say that you can have just as big a "blast off" from yopo as from pure dmt crystal.

My day started good, fresh spring morning. A friend informs me that he got some yopo seeds and 2c-E from a website, and advised me to make the hour trip to his house to pick some up. So later that day I made the trek there in no particular hurry. acquired my goods, 4 yopo seeds and about 5 30 mg doses of 2c-e. and made my way home.

Me and some friends met at my house, I had already since been long been living on my own, and was well established. So me and 4 friends divided the doses up, some snorted, some took it orally. Now as a side note, I do not recommend mixing psychedelics, the experience is ment to be learned from, and you are ment to find the drug. and you cannot do that on multiple drugs I dont think (ofcourse excluding marijuana). also, if you and your friends plan on tripping together, its best everyone take near equal doses, and administer in the same fashion, as to safely secure the bond between all of you for the night. This part is very important i believe. that every be on the same level, or close to it, for a smooth meaningful, powerful experience.

So, with the 2ce in my system (I snorted 15mg, and orally took 15mg), I then toasted and very spiritually and traditionally prepared my yopo. I have spent years studying yopo before i tried it. In the end, I had 2 very fat lines of nutty smelling powder on a plate in front of me. I then stared at the plate, watching those paralleled lines, wave back and fourth, for almost 3 hours, scared to death of those lines, because i knew it was going to be a painful experience. now my first mistake was I had not realized that dmt should be experience in a dark quite setting. well there was music and people tripping and laughing all around me. finally with much urging from my friends, I said "OK! IM DOING IT!" leaned forward, and blew both those lines as fast as i could. I had a trashcan and paper towel placed by a friend between my legs immidiatly after intake. I put my head in the trashcan and waiting for it to come on..

4 minutes had passed and I was feeling a very heavy load on my body. A cold wave spread through my body as I started seeing colors with my eyes closed. and then WOOSH! it was like a tidal wave smashed through my vision, bringing with it a multitude of colors and crystals all glistening and shining. at first I just thought "WOW it really works!" and then the nausea hit very rapidly and I started puking. suddenly the heavy body load turned into like being crushed by gravity. I sat back and looked at all my friends staring at me saying things like "wow he is so gone right now" "i hope he is alright in there" which needless to say didnt make me feel any better about things. I asked for more paper towel because now I had a steady flow of sweat running off my nose but was still freezing cold. I looked around the room one more time and the outline of everything in the room was sparkling orange and for a second i smiled, and closed my eyes. With my eyes close, was when I realized how fucked up I really was.. I had a square textile in my vision, on the tile, were 4 women, on there knees meditating in a lotus form, their feet started in each corner, and theyre heads met in the middle. they were bright purple, and I couldnt make out any features. These 4 women basically telepathically told me they are from the Andes mountains in peru, from a very very long time ago. These were our ancestors. and when they told me this, another tile popped up behind the center tile, so i can just see the outside inch of the square. It then started spinning faster than anything ive ever seen yet i was able to focus on it. then more squares, each one a bit larger than the last all spinning the oposite direction than the one in front of it, and each one spinning faster. this stretched to the deep reaches of our universe. I then got very very scared, opened my eyes and did not recognize the room. I asked to be placed on the floor to my friends, I know i said it outloud because they responded. but I couldnt tell if i actually said it or not. So the next thing i remember is im now on the floor and the cat is gently rubbing its paw over my face, as if its saying everythng is going to be ok buddy. It was like i could hear it telling me through telepathy. and then my dog came over and licked my face a single time and i heard her crying ina human voice because she was scared for me. At this point i said out loud "this is way to much to handle, take me to my room please" so they did, and then I was freezing when i hit the bed, and they threw at least 5 blankets on me till i could feel a real weight on me, over top of the heavy load i already had. there, in the dark, I watched as multicolored smudges and fractal spiral and diamonds all merged and disconnected and connected to eachother for the next 30 mins.

When I started to feel the effects letting off, I realized I just experienced the most powerful trip iv ever had. I realized that I need to draw what i saw, and that what i saw was good even though at the time it terrified me. suddenly, I felt light as a feather, my body temp returned to normal, and I was struck with the most enlightening feeling. I pulled the covers off myself, looked at my stucco ceiling, and watched beautiful orange crystals roll and drip with great detail down my ceiling. I felt happier than I had ever felt before, as well as it being 5 minutes out of a very "bad trip" (so i thought at the moment). Recollected my trip, analyzed it thoroughly, and now am able to say, that out of all the dmt I have ever smoked, that yopo trip effected me, and had the most profound results on my life and the way I lived it. And I can say that I think the preparation was what made it the experience it was. Thats why i believe I was contacted by the ancestors of another culture, and talked to by my pets..

Yopo needs very special care, but do it right, do it in a safe place, with a quite friend nearby, and the lights off or dimmed. do NOT resist, you are not going to die no matter how messed up you feel off of 4 or less seeds. Just close your eyes, and let them teach, thats what they are there for, and thats why you should take the drug. We as humans should expand our minds, and try to collect as much information from such substainces.

I cannot urge enough to be very careful with this drug, as well as any other you might want to choose. Try not to mix them, and understand that the best experiences come from the times when you are questioning if yourself, saying "did i take to much?" "am i gonna die? was i poisoned".

Always know your source, know your mind, and know your dose.. start small and dont think you are better than it. If you go into any trip thinking you are better than the drug you will surely be knocked clean off your high horse.

Much peace and love.
 
Yes it was A colubrina. And, it is true that a. colubrina has both 5-meo-dmt as well as bufetonin. But what leads me to believe that the bufetonin is much lower than the 5-meo-dmt, is that, when you eat yopo seeds nothing happens. maybe a slight buzz but nothing near what it is if you mix it with lime and snort it.. But you can take a bufo toad, lick it, and trip out mainly because some 75% of the toads secretion is bufetonin, and very low amounts of dmt or 5-meo-dmt. So if yopo was high in bufetonin than you would get something from eating it. regardless of an maoi or crushed sea shell or lime added.
 
Colubrina is not yopo. Perigrina is yopo. Colubrina is vilca, and not found in the amazon region as far as I know. It is found throughout areas of brazil, argentina, chile etc that are more arid I believe. Colubrina was and is the vilca of the inca, it was snuffed and smoked, and taken orally in a brew with alcohol called chicha(without maoi added) and it def is active.

There is no 5meo-DMT or DMT in vilca, or at least not in active ammounts. I have taken many preperations of it over a hundred times..trust me, the active tryptamine found in anadenanthera colubrina seeds is bufotenine. I have snuffed it, smoked it, extracted it..even when you salt it, it precips in the teks exactly the way you would expect bufotenine to..

Yopo shouldnt contain any DMT or 5meo-DMT either..there are negligable ammounts found in the raw perigrina seeds, but yopo among the yanomamai and piaroa tribes at least is always toasted, which would effectivly vape away all the available DMT and 5meoDMT and leave behind the bufotenine and other nauseating compounds.

Bufotenine is definatily extremely visionary, and can parallel that of DMT..but it is also very different in some specific ways from DMT. The more you take this entheogen the more you will notice certain distinct aspects that seperate it from it's near relatives.

That said..great report! :) ...bufotenine is a sort of fringe psychedelic that not too many care to touch, and when they do most dont find the side effects agreeable...I found an ally in it though..It is special to me though I dont take it too often anymore..DMT/ayahuasca and psilocybin seem to be in my diet on a regular basis..I come to vilca every so often when I really need to enter into what I call the jaguar dream..I see a lot of jaguars with bufotenine :)

Oh also..noone licks toads. The bufo toad contains mainly 5meo, minor bufotenine content and other alkaloids. The toad glands are massaged and the secretions are collected, dried and then smoked. The maya did not lick toads.
 
ah yes, I just checked out the website again, it was peragrina. I get those two mixed up, they have both for sale, although i dont know who would settle for vilca anyway, unless it was an accident. I could never have gotten a trip like that from vilca, thats for damn sure.

you ever try the other south american snuff? called "nu-nu". It is not a psychedelic I dont believe, but it is full of nicotine, and from what i hear, if one does enough of it way past the point of being sick and puking one will go into a trance and go off into the jungle and find the animal that they will kill on their next hunt, and story has it, they always go get that same animal...

My apologies on the screwed up terminology, there is so many names for this and that in the drug world, its hard for a guy like me to remember everything.
 
Also, I dont believe that in the toasting process you destroy or vape the dmt out of it.. I toast at a very low temp, just until they pop. and after making yopo snuff about 10 times I am positive there is 5-meo in there. regardless of toasting or not, its simply to dmt like to be bufo. after that first time, I might note, i have never puked or been ill since off of yopo snuff. not once, but everytime i smell peanut butter i cringe haha because it shares a resemblence to the cebil.

do you have experience with it? or just what you have read?
 
"ah yes, I just checked out the website again, it was peragrina. I get those two mixed up, they have both for sale, although i dont know who would settle for vilca anyway, unless it was an accident. I could never have gotten a trip like that from vilca, thats for damn sure."

Vilca is known to be stronger than perigrina..and in my experience that is true. get some good cebil from argintina(where is has a history of ethnic use) and try those seeds..they can be very very powerful. I dont believe that yopo contains any usuable ammounts of 5meo or DMT either. All the actual ethnographic data done by ott suggests to me that it is bufotenine, which from experience I agree with. Ott is the authority when it comes to the use of snuffs among the peoples of the orinoco basin..noone else even wants to touch it.

Your report parallels the effects of bufotenine exactly. Trust me. I have done this soo many times..I have prepared it different ways and extracted the bufotenine and tested it..Bufotenine is extremely visionary and colorful, and the visions of inca looking people and tiled motifs are a sort of signature for me of bufotenine.
 
"you ever try the other south american snuff? called "nu-nu". It is not a psychedelic I dont believe, but it is full of nicotine, and from what i hear, if one does enough of it way past the point of being sick and puking one will go into a trance and go off into the jungle and find the animal that they will kill on their next hunt, and story has it, they always go get that same animal... "

I have read alot about nunu snuff but have yet to try it. it is interesting..it contains another plant along with jungle tobacco called something theobroma I believe..anyway it contain xanthenes, theobromine in particular. Sounds interesting.
 
I want to clarify one more thing. It is very very hard to evben find real perigrina seeds. Alot of what is sold as perigrina or "yopo" is really just colubrina. Colubrina is very very powerful and contains uop to 12% alkaloids. Colubrina is also known and cebil and vilca. Alot of misconceptions about this seem to be out there. There is no history of yopo use among the people of the andes..only a long history of vilca use in sites such and chavin de huantar and machu pichu. I dont know wy yu would say that you dont get why someone would settle for vilca..vilca is very powerful and has a longer history of use than yopo I believe.

Also..if you read up about the actual preperations for yopo among both the yanomami and the piaroa(who are known as master yopo makers with the strongest yopo) it seems evident that they toast it at a high enough temperature and long enough to indeed vape away the DMT, meo and some of the nauseating toxins..which some speculate is one reason then do toast them in such a way..the bufotenine is very heat tolerant..but some of the other things in the seeds arent..I have watched them vape away many times in front of my eye while I roast them at easily high enough temps to destroy any DMT without any bufotenine loss..
 
"regardless of toasting or not, its simply to dmt like to be bufo"

Have you ever actaully extracted bufotenine and tried it? 5meo is widely described as lacking in any real visionary potential, and basically composed of shades of grey etc..your report sounds far removed from those of 5meoDMT reports. Bufotenine for me is DMT like anyway.
 
Alright, well im just going to forget I ever asked.. Sorry that in my vision I saw people meditating from a different part of south america than from where the drug came from that i was on. You seem to be hellbent on making this trip out to be something less than a breakthrough on a dmt containing substance. I know what that trip was, and considering iv done everything from licking a damn toad, to experimenting with the extract. I know what I experienced was NOT a bufo trip, I can tell you that right now.. But, as to these "reports" meo being dull in color and gray, I have seen those. And personally I dont think those people had taken enough, sure, one can say "I had 75mg of 5-meo-dmt and it was dull, nothing near as intense as smoking dmt freebase" but, it is in mans nature to embelish themselves in front of others, be it a hot girl or a computer or chat room. I have several mg scales, and what I have found, is after about a year, even a month, it doesnt matter how much you paid for your scale, when your dealing with powders they tend to get into the cracks and clog up your scale, even if the outside appears clean. I have weighed out 25mg of 2ct2 on one mg scale that was a month old. transfered it to my new scale and it was only 10. vise versa with other scales. personally I dont believe half the trip reports i read, especially when it comes to the "dose" that person had..

go to shamanic-extracts.com
that is where I order all my entheogens from, not including my mhrb. do not order any cacti from them, its not the best. everything els has soared above in comparison to every other product iv had.. all of the products besides the cacti from them have been wonderful.

If you want you can find anything and everything wrong with this statement to. I am not some little kid experimenting anymore these days. iv done it all.. I certainly dont know everything there is to know about anything. but I know enough to have properly produced and made on more than a few occasions a excellent snuff, that shot me, and about 20 others to the stars and back. that first time was the only time I had gotten sick from yopo (or whatever it was your trying to tell me i did in place of yopo)

Sorry if I am coming off as a smart ass, but thats the vibe I get when reading your replies.

And again! fuck me and my bad terminology! I had a mountain climbing accident a couple years back and have not gained my memory back in full, its spotty and its harder to recall memories than the rest of you. that and the amount of harder drugs i used to be addicted to have a huge role to play in that. cut me some slack and please dont try calling me out on bullshit, I have a few trips under my belt just like the rest of you, but dont have the time anymore to sit in front of my computer and read up over and over again because i cant remember anything these days..
 
"But you can take a bufo toad, lick it, and trip out mainly because some 75% of the toads secretion is bufetonin"

this is so completely false its not even funny..you CANNOT lick a bufo toad and get high...if you DID you would get VERY sick and maybe die..ive had bufo toads and you have to squeeze the venom out of their glands on their back and let it dry then SMOKE it...

bufo toads are POISONOUS!!! you CANNOT LICK THEM SAFELY

ALSO i have taken bufotenine orally and all you get is a lot of nausea and a MILD buzz...nothing compared to smoking it...
 
From what I can see, Fractal Enchantment never diminished your trip report in any way. Neither did they say that either bufo or 5meo are less intense or meaningful than any of their close relatives. The only thing Fractal suggested was that you had the wrong label on the chemical you put in your system. You experienced what you experienced and nothing (including no name) can change that.
 
"I know what I experienced was NOT a bufo trip, I can tell you that right now"

How do you know that?..have you extracted bufotenine and tested it at a full dose? If not..how can you be so sure what you experienced was not bufotenine? Bufotenine is 5-ho-DMT and it is very very similar in many ways on a visual level to DMT. I think it's more similar in that respect to DMT than 5meoDMT is.

The rest of that post wsa just unnecessary:?
 
Sorry guys but like I'm really hell confused right now!

I've ordered 100 Yopo seeds and they have arrived! I definatly DO NOT want to sniff this stuff! I never have and never will sniff substances! My nasal tolerance to these things are very weak and I get 'sneaze-attacts'. Now I am I wanting to know if it is now possible to smoke they Yopo seeds some how?.. I've read up so much but couldn't find anything that tells me exactly the right amount of seeds to smoke to get the desired effects?.. And also by eating the seeds as I was also planning on with a few Datura seeds to help settle my stomach as I eaily vomit. How maby seeds should I chow down on?

Oh btw, it'll be my first time doing Yopo. I am doing it for some spiritual healing!

Thanks a lot guys!
Peace! :)
 
I know the OP is a year and a half old, but I can't get past this contradiction in the first paragraph

EarthTrust said:
Hello, First off I would like to say that this was my first time experiencing any sort of DMT.
Yopo, for those of you who dont know. Its active chemical is 5-meo-dmt, which last about 45 minutes to an hour, and I believe now after smoking DMT over 100 times can say that you can have just as big a "blast off" from yopo as from pure dmt crystal.

:surprised
 
hypnotoad said:
Sorry guys but like I'm really hell confused right now!

I've ordered 100 Yopo seeds and they have arrived! I definatly DO NOT want to sniff this stuff! I never have and never will sniff substances! My nasal tolerance to these things are very weak and I get 'sneaze-attacts'. Now I am I wanting to know if it is now possible to smoke they Yopo seeds some how?.. I've read up so much but couldn't find anything that tells me exactly the right amount of seeds to smoke to get the desired effects?.. And also by eating the seeds as I was also planning on with a few Datura seeds to help settle my stomach as I eaily vomit. How maby seeds should I chow down on?

Oh btw, it'll be my first time doing Yopo. I am doing it for some spiritual healing!

Thanks a lot guys!
Peace! :)

Here is what you do if you want to smoke the stuff..

Lightly toast the seeds in the oven for 15 minutes or so..dont burn them up or anything just roast them as you would a coffee bean..then grind them up and add some sodium carbonate or lime and then mix with a bit of water to make a paste..let that dry and then do 3 pulls with iso, acetone or some other alcohol..collect and filter all 3 pulls and evaporate down into a black tar like resin. It will be sticky I warn you..weigh it and then redissolve in some more iso or whatever and make changa with it. Use about 1 or 2 times the ammount of leaf..so if you have 100mg of resin add that to 2-300mg leaf..that is what I did anyway.
 
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