100g acrb salt-tek teal discoloration

[infid3l]

Hi guys,

EarthWalkers 100g TEK followed..

this isn't a new TEK as it's based on " Cyb's 50g Hybrid ATB Salt TEK " as seen in this link ! https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...brid_ATB_%27Salt%27_Tek The only difference is this is for 100g ACRB with a step commonly known as Backsalting a mini AB or clean up at the end !

1st image shows the 6th pull separated and without the defat, scraped it yielded 0.061g so not likely worth persuing more in the saved soup.

2nd image shows pulls 1-5 combined and after defat. The colour left behind worries me. Is it the naphtha not properly evap? The indiviudal pull did not have this problem.. same solvent used. It's currently sitting under a fan.

Thoughts?

 

[1ce]

That's okay if it's my left eye (it don't work). He asked about the distillation specifically so I answered. I thought it was a fair example to show heating solvents is perfectly fine so long as you do it safely. Distilling serves no purpose other than letting me re-use chemicals thst are fairly hard to find and expensive where I live.

 

[infid3l]

Upon latest recrystalization, all impures were removed. White supershard fluff left over. :d Total weigh is at 0.744+ 0.320 after re-x in hot naphtha, so 1.064g from 100g of pulverized rootbark. Excellent results imo for swims first go. Next up, a slow acetone re-x to see if solid crystals can grow.

Thx @EW :thumb_up:, @1ce Slowly swims chemistry will improve to the understanding of this rather (seemingly) long-winded process. Chems are easy to access in swim part of the world, this is swim's lucky situation however.

 

[Aweems]

Sweet!:thumb_up:
Glad to hear of positive outcomes

Happy travels!

 

[1ce]

Upon latest recrystalization, all impures were removed. White supershard fluff left over. :d Total weigh is at 0.744+ 0.320 after re-x in hot naphtha, so 1.064g from 100g of pulverized rootbark. Excellent results imo for swims first go. Next up, a slow acetone re-x to see if solid crystals can grow.

Thx @EW :thumb_up:, @1ce Slowly swims chemistry will improve to the understanding of this rather (seemingly) long-winded process. Chems are easy to access in swim part of the world, this is swim's lucky situation however.

Great job man! I'm not sure about acetone.. It's miscible with water and eats plastic. So the room for error certainly is larger here. Adding boiling heptane slowly often works good for me

 

[1ce]

Uhm. Wasn't it clear? There's nothing wrong with heating naptha a little bit. I had no idea microwaving water as a safe heat source was all that complicated. :rolls eyes:

I did it using an oil bath/vacuum. I used a leibig condenser and an ice bath under 5he recieving flask. The purpose for the distillation was merely to purify and recycle my solvents.

Don't play stupid ice ,, I'm referring to this ^^^ , this ( Precipitating DMT at room temperature? ) here's a thought just let it evaporate .......:? And STB total failure - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus and advice given by

It seems to me, (someone w no organic chemistry background) that you're way over-complicating things.

Just search the forum for "Cyb's Hybrid ATB Salt tek", and follow it step for step.

Also, even though my experience is extremely limited, I've not come across any teks that use dichloromethane. Why did you add this?

In my experience, (of extracting beautiful, white crystals on 3 occasions; 3 successful extractions from 3 attempts) vacuum filters and sep funnels are simply not needed to efficiently extract spice.

Maybe just humble yourself with regard to your chem skills and don't reinvent the wheel, ya know?

Best of luck on the next try!:thumb_up:

and all you're other posts with all the lab equipment and big words over thinking things , I really don't no who you're trying to impress but it's all abit unessacery , simplicity is key to relate to the normal person , just chill out abit and you don't have to try to impress all the time .....and if you're eyes are rolling don't take then out of there sockets cause they could just happen to roll under the couch and then you'll be in trouble ..:shock:

I think it'a you who is confused. Perhaps. DCM layer settle at the bottom. If you're doing larger extraction without a sep then you're probably being ineffective at it.

And if 'big words' you in the 'advanced chemistry' section of this forum then maybe you should avoid it for now. Although I am still unsure as to what you're relating to. Leibig?

I see many other approaches as being silly. Because it costs me money and hours of driving to go about them.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

If you're doing larger extraction without a sep then you're probably being ineffective at it.

Why's that?

Overall, generally speaking, STB approaches are more likely to be "ineffective" (read: inefficient), on the whole, than not using a sep funnel (regardless of approach).

 

[1ce]

If you're doing larger extraction without a sep then you're probably being ineffective at it.

Why's that?

Overall, generally speaking, STB approaches are more likely to be "ineffective" (read: inefficient), on the whole, than not using a sep funnel (regardless of approach).

I didn't mean to generalize, a syringe does a perfectly splendid job. With bottom layer solvents like DCM a sep funnel I feel is a much better approach. I'm doing an A/B on mimosa right now and the whole process has gone substantially more smoothly than any STB I've ever done.

 

[DrWalrus]

If you're doing larger extraction without a sep then you're probably being ineffective at it.

Why's that?

Overall, generally speaking, STB approaches are more likely to be "ineffective" (read: inefficient), on the whole, than not using a sep funnel (regardless of approach).

I didn't mean to generalize, a syringe does a perfectly splendid job. With bottom layer solvents like DCM a sep funnel I feel is a much better approach. I'm doing an A/B on mimosa right now and the whole process has gone substantially more smoothly than any STB I've ever done.

Seperatory funnels are key in my opinion. They simplify the whole process an immense amount. Syringes work too, but plastic syringes can be dissolved by solvents, so be careful.

 

[Mindlusion]

I've had success using a solvent mixture of hexanes and DCM in a STB, lowering the density so the organic layer floats on the top. This way it can be siphoned off. I have found using DCM or aromatic solvents extracts the alkaloids better per pull, something like 90 to 95% in the first pull using DCM.

But as its been said, STB are inefficient and messy. The time you save omitting the filtering is lost in the work up of the messy bark sludge.

A/B is the way to go. Higher yields and cleaner extraction and of course, sep funnel.

DCM is definitely a great solvent for this extraction, but now I even lean towards toluene because it still extracts as well as DCM. Since I don't evap the solvent anymore and precipitate the salts using FASA, the high vapor pressure of DCM becomes more of a curse then a blessing.

I don't know why anyone would use Naphtha, I had to use something like 300-400mls and 3 pulls to get the same amount of product I could get from 1 pull of 50mls of DCM or toluene. (Take those numbers with a grain of salt im exaggerating slightly.)

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On another note, I think 1ce's use of 'big words' is helpful for me to understand his procedure. It's also easier to identify the problem at hand and propose a solution. Rather then making arbitrary arguments that don't solve anything. Earthwalker if you had bothered to actually read his post rather then dismissing it, you would have noticed that he was addressing something entirely different.