2 quick "Breakthrough" questions

[The_Curious_One]

Ok so I've been experimenting with DMT over the past few days and I'm still a little scared to breakthrough because every time I take 2-3 pulls I get so dizzy/disoriented that I have to put the bong down. I can feel my heart racing 100 miles an hour like its going to beat out of my chest, and my breathing becomes much faster and it makes me almost want to just pass out.

Shortly after this though I get extreme visuals. Its like I'm witnessing reality dissolve in front of my eyes. Everything I look at in the room I'm in is extremely distorted like its all flowing together or melting somehow. There are patterns on the floor, ceiling, and walls, and I can't fully focus on any one spot for more than a second or 2 before my vision starts to get shakey.

My questions are:

1) Are you supposed to just keep smoking until you pass out in order to breakthrough? Because it feels like that's whats going to happen if I don't put the bong down and try my hardest to control my breathing and heart rate.

2) Are you supposed to close your eyes after you feel the onset of the dizziness to successfully breakthrough? Or does it matter if you keep your eyes open? It feels to me like keeping my eyes open is keeping me tied down to this reality, I'm not really able to leave my body... but again I keep chickening out every time it feels like I'm about to pass out.

Basically what I'm asking is what exactly happens to your physical body when you breakthrough to hyperspace, does everyone else witness you just fall back into a trance with your eyes closed or are you still just sitting there with your eyes open and just completely blind to our reality?

I really REALLY want to breakthrough, and I feel like if someone tells me, "Its okay, you're supposed to pass out" it'll be easier for me to just man-up and keep smoking when it starts to look like the bowl is melting in front of me... lol

 

[۩]

Hey there,

Take a moment and click the link in my signature and review this. I think it will be helpful for you.

You want to meditate for a good long while before you dive in. If you breathe deep and slow, and consciously relax yourself, your heart rate isn't going to explode rapidly like it is doing now.

A true breakthrough goes beyond human eyes. It doesn't matter if they are open or closet. Everything you see you experience synesthetically in a new way you never thought possible.

Most people just look like they are asleep. I have seen some people have seizures from overdoses. I am a very aware and hard headed person, so when I breakthrough, I even have the ability to talk and perform asanas and mudras. Everyone is different and I can not emphasize how important it is to experiment with these things and find what works best for yourself. We see this on the nexus every day. No one has the same method of ingesting this substance.

Relax. You have all the time in your life to breakthrough. After a while you will get over the initial excitement and these things can be performed calmer and easier. Peace.

 

[Mindlusion]

hehe yes, I was really wondering the same things before i broke through for the first time, it is quite common.

I was asking myself, wondering what i need to do, what i was doing wrong, in order to 'breakthrough'

but really, you just have to 'smoalk moar'. Nothing else, it really all depends on the dose.
The first time i broke through, all i did was just add a lot more dmt to the bong then before.

Now I never got so anxious that I was worrying about my heart rate, but I have found that the experiences just under a breakthrough dose 'sub-breakthrough' can be quite hard on the mind and body, Breakthrough feels like you just let go and its all bliss now.


So I suggest, instead of smoking on and on and on until you feel like your passing out, why not load a large dose, and inhale the whole thing in one large hit? This is what worked for me the first time.
You are using the correct bong leaf sandwich method right? You need to vaporize it right to get the proper dose, and its easier on the lungs if its not burned. Hold it LONG 20 seconds

It goes like this... Inhale.... Hold... Set bong down.. and you will usually not remember blowing out the smoke! :d

 

[dmtk2852]

I agree with what has been said by others, but I also think that for a first time breakthrough it is easier to take a few hits to get you there. 2-3 hits of a bowl loaded with spice will get me through, take big hits and hold them in. As for the passing out, its not passing out really, its more of an out of body experience, you are still conscious but you lose all connection with conventional reality. This may sound scary but it is actually liberating, once you breakthrough you will not regret it and understand more of what we talk about around here.
Another thing, when you come back down to Earth, you will be so flustered trying to describe the experience. After my first breakthrough the only thing I could say was "What was that?!" It is an amazing experience, and I highly recommend it, you won't worry about your heart rate if you take enough spice at the onset.

 

[smri]

I agree with one big rip.

Less substance and more spice will help once you get ۩'s method down too. Not burning it is key, and the less smoke from other things will help with the inhale too.

Vapor Genie is probably the best imho.

Just a pessimistic thought; is your spice pretty clean? More white than amber/yellow/orange/brown?

 

[The_Curious_One]

Well, honestly I don't think it's smoking method at all. Being a longtime friend of Maryjane. I've learned how to pack a bowl pretty well. I always put just a medium sized flat(ish) bud on the bottom of the bowl to cover the hole, then I load 1 Exacto Knife's blade full of DMT crystals / powder on top of that bottom bud, then place more (larger) flat buds on top of the powder until there is no white showing at all. Then I pack as much MJ shake as I can on top of the buds using a plastic bag over my thumb until the bowl is almost overflowing with shake on top.

Usually I can start to feel the DMT off of the 2nd hit, but I have large and powerful lungs (friend's call me 'Ironlung' =/) so sometimes I will feel it in the 1st hit if I burn enough shake and make the smoke thick enough.

Using this method has been MUCH more effective for me compared to using that little glass oil burner pipe I had bought just to try DMT. Mainly because 1) I felt like a crack/meth head trying to use that little glass pipe, 2) I had to put literally 3 or 4 Exacto Knife blade's worth of crystals in that little oil burner and couldn't even get the smoke thick enough to have any real effect on me. 3) The effect I got was like 100 times stronger using the bong with only 1 Exacto Knife Blade of crystals, 4) The smoke that I did manage to get out of that oil burner was harsh, hot, and burned the shit out of all our lips. 5) My bong is pretty awesome hehe, the smoke gets filtered through water twice with 6 perkalators on the stem and 5 in the middle section to produce extra smoke, and you can load the top of it full of ice so that the smoke is cool and smooth by the time it reaches your lungs.

I think what the problem might be actually is dosage (maybe). I still have yet to be able to finish a full bowl with only 1 Exacto Knife blade worth of crystals. The question is - How many milligrams is that? If its only 50 or so and I can't finish the whole bowl, then thats probably why I haven't fully broken through yet.

I don't have a scale to weigh milligrams obviously, so I can't tell, but does anyone have a guestimate on how many MG this is:

Thanks for all the reply's, I feel slightly better about smoking till I pass out, but since no one has actually confirmed that thats what happens, I'm still a little nervous about it.

 

[gibran2]

I don't have a scale to weigh milligrams obviously, so I can't tell, but does anyone have a guestimate on how many MG this is: (IMG)

Thanks for all the reply's, I feel slightly better about smoking till I pass out, but since none of you have confirmed that thats what happens, I'm still a little nervous about it.

I'd say that's between 75 and 100mg. With good smoking device and technique, you could go very far with 25-30mg.

Unless you take a massive, out-of-this-world dose of DMT, you will not pass out. The light-headed feeling is normal.

 

[jamie]

that is one large large lump of DMT in that picture..I would start with 1/4th that dose..

 

[The_Curious_One]

Really?? 75 - 100... that much? I was thinking more like between 30 - 60 or so because it seems like my scale (70$ headshop one) that measures grams only moves 0.1 after every 2-3 blade's worth. I have one of those tiny ziplocks that weighs 0.5 empty, so most of my crystals are in there and I just weigh it after every scoop to check if moved. Its hard to say how accurate this method is, but its the best I can do with a scale that doesn't weigh milligrams... =/

 

[DeMenTed]

That does look like a load of dmt. You really shouldn't need that much.

I would say to you, take ur usual dose sit back and close your eyes and propel yourself into the experience, with the right mindset you will be blown away with that dose in the pic.

 

[caliwa]

i totally hear you brother. have you done LSD? perhaps taking a dose can help you liberate that brain lock before doing spice.

 

[۩]

i totally hear you brother. have you done LSD? perhaps taking a dose can help you liberate that brain lock before doing spice.

LSDMT is highly recommended for the experienced hypernauts. :twisted:

 

[MySmelf]

Well, honestly I don't think it's smoking method at all. Being a longtime friend of Maryjane. I've learned how to pack a bowl pretty well. I always put just a medium sized flat(ish) bud on the bottom of the bowl to cover the hole, then I load 1 Exacto Knife's blade full of DMT crystals / powder on top of that bottom bud, then place more (larger) flat buds on top of the powder until there is no white showing at all. Then I pack as much MJ shake as I can on top of the buds using a plastic bag over my thumb until the bowl is almost overflowing with shake on top.

I'd say this is your problem!! Smoking that much weed with DMT I'm not at all surprised you're having issues! :shock:

If you're going to use weed, just use a little. Sprinkle just enough shake on top of your DMT to cover it and allow for a cherry to burn. That way you should be able to get it all in one or two hits and not be so high that you feel like you're going to pass out!!!

 

[The_Curious_One]

I'd say this is your problem!! Smoking that much weed with DMT I'm not at all surprised you're having issues! Shocked

If you're going to use weed, just use a little. Sprinkle just enough shake on top of your DMT to cover it and allow for a cherry to burn. That way you should be able to get it all in one or two hits and not be so high that you feel like you're going to pass out!!!

Well I don't think the weed is having any part of the feeling of wanting to pass out. The weed I have is some pretty crappy shwag, low quality, I could smoke like 10 bowls back to back and not even come close to feeling like I do from just a couple hits with the DMT in the bowl.

I think I'm just going to have to give in to it all and keep smoking through the dizziness / light headed feeling until I'm gone.

 

[jamie]

I find that if you smoke cannabis frequently, like daily you are not going to experience the full effects of DMT. It is foggier and less clear and dulled a bit if I smoked DMT after I smoke cannabis. Smoking like 3-4 times a week does not have this effect though for me..only constant use.

Heavy cannabis use burns out your melatonin supply..which will make you trip less hard. Maybe supplement with melatonin for a few days and lay off the weed..then smoke some more DMT.

Especially if you smoke DMT while you are stoned..the symptoms you have described are common in my experience. I really dislike smoking DMT if I have already smoked cannabis.

 

[caliwa]

i dont like weed with LSD. i think it makes a fuzzy mind that makes experience "dirty". I think with dmt same could be happening.

i want to ask the experienced if tobaco instead of weed can be used...? guys?

 

[The_Curious_One]

I find that if you smoke cannabis frequently, like daily you are not going to experience the full effects of DMT. It is foggier and less clear and dulled a bit if I smoked DMT after I smoke cannabis. Smoking like 3-4 times a week does not have this effect though for me..only constant use.

I don't smoke that often anymore really, maybe 1 bowl a day... sometimes more, but some days I don't smoke at all. And when I do smoke I usually don't even smoke a whole bowl all at once.

 

[jamie]

ok..well then try smoking the DMT all in one hit without the cannabis, before you have smoked cannabis that day. Predosing for a few nights with melatonin works for me as well for potentiating all tryptamines.

 

[۩]

Sure, you can use tobacco if you want. I don't use it nor would I advocate anyone else using it. Try mullein.

 

[MySmelf]

I'd say this is your problem!! Smoking that much weed with DMT I'm not at all surprised you're having issues! Shocked

If you're going to use weed, just use a little. Sprinkle just enough shake on top of your DMT to cover it and allow for a cherry to burn. That way you should be able to get it all in one or two hits and not be so high that you feel like you're going to pass out!!!

Well I don't think the weed is having any part of the feeling of wanting to pass out. The weed I have is some pretty crappy shwag, low quality, I could smoke like 10 bowls back to back and not even come close to feeling like I do from just a couple hits with the DMT in the bowl.

I think I'm just going to have to give in to it all and keep smoking through the dizziness / light headed feeling until I'm gone.

Still it's way too much material on top of the DMT. You're getting too much non-DMT smoke and diluting it. I can't see how you can get a decent effect that way. You could probable use half as much DMT with a little shake on top and get a better experience.