25c Nbome Hcl Solubility

[MomentOfTruth]

Anyone familiar with this compound that has experience making a solution that can be accurately dosed?

My original thought was that i could dissolve (x) mg's with (x) ml's of distilled water and that the distilled water solution would contain equal parts of the 25c nbome hcl.

The more research I do, the more i beleive this is incorrect. I'm concerned with accuracy due to the fact that a standard dose of this compound is 500ug with 1mg being a relatively high dose.

50mg 25c-nBome-hcl/25ml distilled h20 was my initial idea. Thinking that 1/2 ml of the resulting distilled h20 would contain 1mg of 25c-nBome-hcl. I'm thinking that the actual solubility of the nbome per ml of whatever liquid you are using may be more important than using such a simple mathematical approach and hoping that the h20 would contain equal parts of the compound.

I'd prefer to make a solution as opposed to complex/blotter due to my lack of experience in that department.

I hope that this does not violate any forum rules, so please notify me if there is a problem.

There is simply a lack of good information out there on the subject and with all of the great things that i've been hearing about this compound I would like to help add to the information available.

Thanks in advance for any help!

 

[MomentOfTruth]

Can someone move this to "OTHER PSYCHOACTIVES". That is where i meant to post the thread. Sorry about that. I clicked the wrong "other".

 

[Orion]

50mg to any quantity of water is a lot if you plan to store most of it, which I assume you do as you mentioned you are not keen on making blotters (That is very very simple and easy if you have HCL salts like you mentioned). You might want to add some ethanol to the solution to stop microorganism growth which might degrade the actives. But then if you have ethanol, that is a really good solvent for laying the NBOMes.

Personally I swear by laying them. With HCL there is no need to complex them, they are just as potent as the complexed freebase (speaking from experience). You can measure out down to 20ul if you have the dexterity when using a 1ml insulin syringe (it must be the ones with the tiny increments on it, 5 increments in each of the 10 numbered segments, each increment must therefore 20ul if the whole syringe contains 1000ul of liquid). This is more than fine if you're only making a small amount.

If you really do want to just use distilled water, I would just see for yourself how much will dissolve, you could probably evap and retrieve the product should you need to. I scoured the web trying to find multiple reliable accounts as to how much really does dissolve in it, what little I did find was contradictory or vague and noob-like.

 

[MomentOfTruth]

Yeah i know what you mean. There is very little info out there that I would put much faith in.

Perhaps i will consider the blotter idea if you say it is that simple with the hcl salt.

Thanks for the tip!

 

[MomentOfTruth]

How much ethanol would you use to dissolve 50 mgs of the compound prior to laying on the blotter?

 

[Orion]

I will PM you, I'm cautious of undesirable folk using such info to produce large amounts of fake acid. It's probably inevitable, but I want no hand in it.

EDIT: At a friends at the moment, I will PM you when I can read from my written chart, my memory fails me :/

 

[The Traveler]

First, check this page and especially the safety profile: 25x-NBOME


I made my 10ml solution with 250mic per drop this way:

Materials Required
* 1 small dropper bottle of 10ml
* 10ml alcohol (I used 96% but it can probably even be Vodka 40%)
* 50mg 25x-NBOME Hcl (I did this both with 25C and 25i)

* syringe
* small funnel
* latex gloves
* Face mask with particle filter

Steps
1) Put on gloves and face mask
2) With the syringe drop 2 ml of alcohol in the plastic ziplock bag containing the NBOME
3) Now slowly knead the ziplock bag with care
4) Pour the content of the ziplock bag through the funnel in the bottle
5) Repeat steps 2-4 two more times
6) Use the remaining 4ml of alcohol to wash down anything that might be stuck in the funnel into the bottle


You now have a 10ml bottle where each drop is 250mics:

* Each ml contains about 20 drops on average
* 20 (drops) * 10ml = 200 drops
* 50mg / 200 drops = 250mic per drop


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[MomentOfTruth]

You guys have both been extremely helpful! I really appreciate the follow up and will follow back up once I have a chance to do this! I am really looking forward to trying this compound out but I was totally lost as to how to properly dose it!

I can't thank you enough!!


Much love!

 

[ipumaestro]

ipuma noticed that 1 ml is 20 drops of dh20 however 1 ml is 30 drops of 100% ipa

 

[MomentOfTruth]

That is pretty interesting, ipuma.

I assume that if i use 100 proof vodka that it would be closer to the 20 drops due to the excess water content?

I won't be using grain alcohol like the Traveler because i used up my supply doing tinctures/pipe cleaning. lol.

I'm guessing that 100 proof vodka would have a slight advantage over 80 proof due to slightly less h20 per ML of solvent? Atleast with respect to drying faster. Anyone agree/disagree?

 

[The Traveler]

I assume that if i use 100 proof vodka that it would be closer to the 20 drops due to the excess water content?

This can easily be tested by yourself, just test how many drops there are in your ml with your dropper and your Vodka.

If you have more (or less) drops per ml then calculate the resulting numbers accordingly.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[MomentOfTruth]

I ended up dissolving the whole 50mg into 1ml of 100 proof vodka no problem. Made it very easy to lay the blotter.