Elf Machine
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Anyone have experience with these? On another part of the forum I heard 2C-I was the best party drug. Alexander Shulgin rates 2C-B 5 out of 5. I'm curious about the others and their effects.
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Ayawasqero
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narmz
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2c-e is one of the most amazing psychedelics compounds ever created. 2c-i is alright, I've experienced some strange side-effects from it. 2c-b is very sensual. 2c-b contains bromine and 2c-i contains iodine, both of these elements interact with your thyroid and may or may not have noticeable effects as a result. 2c-e is in my opinion the best, it has the most intricate visuals, the least physical side effects, and is the most unique compared to other psychoactives. You have to treat them with extreme respect, do not dose unless you have an accurate milligram scale, and unless you know the source of the material. A good dose of 2c-e starts at about 12-13 mg. Others have gone higher, but that is always the sweet spot for me, I never go higher than 17-18mg. 2c-e, in my experience, does not lend itself to going out and drinking/dancing/mingling with lots of people - it is more suited to hanging out with a few good friends and dosing together and letting it go from there. Anyhow, hope this helps!
SHroomtroll
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Ive tried 2c-b a few times it was very playful and partyish,, would like to try 2c-e as soon as i find a good vendor.
wikiwahwah
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I've tried both 2C-I and 2C-B. Both were ok, but they left me thinking I would have had a much better night if I'd dosed with MDMA instead.
Elf Machine
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Narmz, how is 2C-E different than other psychedelics?
2C-b and 2c-c are very similar. Probably two drugs that are more similar in effects then SWIM ever encountered before.
pau
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Gotta enthusiastically second the comments here about 2-ce. Amazing at the right dose...pointless for partying (no phen-like euphoria)...just IMO waves of deep introspection tied to remarkable revealing CEV's and next-day insights. A true candidate for professional psychotherapy...shorter, low bodyload journeys that at the lower doses do not send you to the other side of the universe...one's own mind is plenty wonderful and, in fact, no different. It lacks the ten hours of mysticism that big brother San Pedro offers, but with 2ce that is not the point. As an RC tread lightly at first...know your vendor...12-13 mg I agree is a sweet spot. Merry Christmas all!
DiMiTriX
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burnt,in witch features the two compounds is similar? swim would try his first 2c and it would be 2c-b but it's illegal,so he was thinking about 2c-e that's it's one of last still legal 2c's in his country,as 2c-c btw..so he wanna know what is so similar and different from 2c-b.the only thing swim know about this compound is that it's maybe the most potent of 2c series and that its effects are longlasting (almost 12 hours?)
neverwas
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The 2c family is pretty interesting so far. Having done b, c, d, and I, I'm definitely interested in e. Guess I'm saving the best for last. Its remarkable how one can tell one from the other but that at the same time they share similar qualities And its obvious they're related.
Its been a while. But SWIM does not remember 2c-c lasting so long. The dose SWIM thinks was a bit less then 2c-c. But in terms of overall effects SWIM could barely tell the difference.
narmz
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First off, the whole feel of 2c-e is incredibly different. It is somewhat like getting accustomed to a pool of water. When you first get your batch of 2c-e and kick it off, it's a bit strange, because you haven't been there before(or in a long time). After a while, you start to realise the potential of the space it provides - and that is when you start to really become fond of it. So it sort of hides its value at the outset.
The visuals are like nothing I've ever experienced before, and they don't come with an incredible level of mind-fuck. They simply happen and you are still at the same level of coherence and awe. The visuals I could best describe as a shimmering waltz. They definitely have this sort of multi-level reflection aspect to them, where strands of matter will reflect light as if there is a source of light spinning around each bit and parcel. It creates this sort of wave, and slight eye movements bring about the most profound cascading flows. The visuals are similar to acid and mushrooms in the sense that the same morphing/grain sliding on wood effects are there, but the way 2c-e plays with light takes it to a whole other level. You can honestly just get lost in the most simple of patterns or if you choose pierce through it all and play a game with friends or work on art...
Oh yes. Art is one of the most amazing beautiful processes on 2c-e. Paint, if you can, do it. It is amazing, going from intention to creation to flow of the most outright emotional colors you have ever experienced, so purely defined and bleeding out at your will.
My best advice is to take it slowly, it comes with a lot of energy, let it pass and flow out of you if you need, pace around, twiddle yer ankles, whatever just don't force it into something pre-planned like going out for a night on the town. Just wait till it shows itself, then flow with it to wherever it takes you and don't force anything.
The visuals are like nothing I've ever experienced before, and they don't come with an incredible level of mind-fuck. They simply happen and you are still at the same level of coherence and awe. The visuals I could best describe as a shimmering waltz. They definitely have this sort of multi-level reflection aspect to them, where strands of matter will reflect light as if there is a source of light spinning around each bit and parcel. It creates this sort of wave, and slight eye movements bring about the most profound cascading flows. The visuals are similar to acid and mushrooms in the sense that the same morphing/grain sliding on wood effects are there, but the way 2c-e plays with light takes it to a whole other level. You can honestly just get lost in the most simple of patterns or if you choose pierce through it all and play a game with friends or work on art...
Oh yes. Art is one of the most amazing beautiful processes on 2c-e. Paint, if you can, do it. It is amazing, going from intention to creation to flow of the most outright emotional colors you have ever experienced, so purely defined and bleeding out at your will.
My best advice is to take it slowly, it comes with a lot of energy, let it pass and flow out of you if you need, pace around, twiddle yer ankles, whatever just don't force it into something pre-planned like going out for a night on the town. Just wait till it shows itself, then flow with it to wherever it takes you and don't force anything.
I would love to get my hands on some 2C compounds. Shulgin is an amazing man.
everything he saw and thought, "had been brought about by a fraction of a gram of a white solid, but that in no way whatsoever could it be argued that these memories had been contained within the white solid ... I understood that our entire universe is contained in the mind and the spirit. We may choose not to find access to it, we may even deny its existence, but it is indeed there inside us, and there are chemicals that can catalyze its availability."
Edit: I sorta wish I never got my hands on them :shock:
everything he saw and thought, "had been brought about by a fraction of a gram of a white solid, but that in no way whatsoever could it be argued that these memories had been contained within the white solid ... I understood that our entire universe is contained in the mind and the spirit. We may choose not to find access to it, we may even deny its existence, but it is indeed there inside us, and there are chemicals that can catalyze its availability."
Edit: I sorta wish I never got my hands on them :shock:
1992
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narmz said:
Due to the high electronegativity of halogens, your body is unable to remove them from the aromatic rings to which they are attached. Therefore, bromine and iodine are not available to the thyroid and will have no effect on it.
This is not to say that there aren't any problems with toxicity, though there seems to be very little threat with the non-sulfur containing 2-c's.
Electric.Sight
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I have experience with E, I, and D. 2c-e takes the cake for deepest 2c, 2c-d for shallowest.
2c-i is a fun candy trip, but it usually leaves me with a dull headache on the comedown. 2c-i can sometimes get uncomfortably stimulating and I pretty much require weed on it to relax.
2c-e is a little sedating in itself, and also lasts longer than the others.
2c-d while being an incredibly light shallow trip, was actually pretty fun. Like an enhancement of normal reality, allowing almost sober-like thoughts. It is slightly stimulating, but not uncomfortably so. I actually rather enjoyed 2c-d.
I hear 2c-b is a favorite among many, but I have no experience myself to relate.
2c-i is a fun candy trip, but it usually leaves me with a dull headache on the comedown. 2c-i can sometimes get uncomfortably stimulating and I pretty much require weed on it to relax.
2c-e is a little sedating in itself, and also lasts longer than the others.
2c-d while being an incredibly light shallow trip, was actually pretty fun. Like an enhancement of normal reality, allowing almost sober-like thoughts. It is slightly stimulating, but not uncomfortably so. I actually rather enjoyed 2c-d.
I hear 2c-b is a favorite among many, but I have no experience myself to relate.
1992
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Morbiddoctor said:
I don't buy it, the pharmacology to support this just isnt there. If you compare 2c-i to thyroxine and endogenous thyroid hormones, you'll notice that the iodines are located at positions 3 and 5 with an OH between the two for thyroxine on the aromatic ring and 2c-i has the lone iodine on the fourth position. It would not be recognized by the receptors on the thyroid.
If you look at the metabolism of 2c-i (http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=17944900) you'll notice that the iodine stays attached to the benzene ring all the way until the end. Once again, due to the position of the iodine on this ring remains unchanged its still not going to be available to the thyroid.
I mean, theres a small chance I could be wrong but the science isn't there. I feel like most of the reports of thyroid problems from using 2c-i are either made up, a coincidence, or standard phenethylamine induced anxiety
Electric.Sight
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I've read lots of reports of 2c-i, and it's the only RC I've ever heard being available locally suggesting it's use is becoming fairly widespread. I think we'd hear more about this by now if it were the case. Still, good idea to play it safe until we know for sure.1992 said:
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