does 2cb produce the deep empathy of mdma? I am absolutely in love with mdma lately for dancing/festivals with old friends/new friends/anyone..I seem to encounter many people who really love 2cb in that crowd for dancing.
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2CB, what's the consensus?
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Yex said:
Can you provide a source for that?
jamie said:
No. Not even close.
Maybe I'm alone on this one, but generally I find phenethylamines increase my ability to communicate with others by making me more sure of myself. My language flows better because I'm a little more full of myself than usual.
MDMA makes me feel closer to others, but doesn't increase the quality of communications with others, but it just makes them feel more significant. I recently discovered that I am least anxious and most able to talk to others on a moderate dose of LSD as it increases my creativity and speed of reaction. Mescaline and 2cb come in at a joint close 2nd. But I wouldn't attribute any of that to an increase in empathy of which is extremely apparent with MDMA.
On the other hand though, it combines with MDMA quite well and the duration is similar.
2C-E is a piece of cake compared to Aya or Shrooms and very predictable. I've done about 50 low-dose 2C-E trips in the 10mg region (above 12mg gave me headaches) and it was really nice, never experienced a bad trip.soulfood said:2C-E next but... yeah... that frightens me a little
Ufostrahlen said:2C-E is a piece of cake compared to Aya or Shrooms and very predictable. I've done about 50 low-dose 2C-E trips in the 10mg region (above 12mg gave me headaches) and it was really nice, never experienced a bad trip.soulfood said:2C-E next but... yeah... that frightens me a little
Cool.
I'll definitely give it a shot should I come up on a reliable source. I find low doses of anything to be fine really, it's when you raise the stakes that things become interesting. 2C-B and mescaline for me don't turn sour at doses that are very psychedelic. I would also say DMT hasn't whipped me. Mushrooms have and LSD has. I'm of the impression 2C-E has LSD like qualities in terms of introspection which would lead me to be cautious.
mushrooms are def the deepest of the psychedelics I have worked with, and my favorite. I love dancing to downtempo glitch stuff like kaminanda on mushrooms but things can get weird. The phens I have tried are very different from the tryptamines and operate on a diff level. Why I like MDMA so much, is because it brings everything right to the surface without dangling any of it in my face(well..usually..)..it just floats away and my heart blows open..plus there is this undeniable empathic resonance between two people when the eyes catch each other or someone is holding you etc on MDMA. I can be content just standing on the side of the stage hugging my friends for an eternity on M. I recall one moment where I was having a psychological breakdown on MDMA 4 months ago at an event with our local shamb community, and having every unsolved issue in my life illuminated in my mind throwing me into turmoil..and then this wonderful friend of mine who dosed me came over, looked into my eyes and hugged me. Instantly my heart just melted as I gazed into the glowing eyes of this beautiful woman and next moment all my friends are there with us and we are swaying back and forth. It was one of the most pure moments of love I have ever encountered in this life, where everything was okay, all shame, fear, guilt etc I had carried for 31 years became irrelevant. I processed so much stuff in one night on MDMA it was incredible and has been my most memorable time so far on any of the phens and was as theraputic as any aya session I sat through. MDMA, and mushrooms kinda pulled me out of a hole this past winter..I really enjoy taking MDMA the first night of a festival, and then mushrooms the second night...but last weekend at bass coast(amazing fest bwt, perfect fusion of shambhala epic bass and burning man style art installations) I did MDMA friday night, mushrooms sat night and then MDMA sunday night again. I was really wonderful, but also a bit much. I would not dose MDMA twice like that in a week again, and think I will skip taking it at shambhala this year and do mesc one night and mushrooms the next night, unless 2cb or MDA fall into my lap perhaps. It would be nice to find something to replace MDMA for all but maybe 1-2 times a year.
Ive gone a bit off topic now....
Ive gone a bit off topic now....
dreamer042 said:
Thanks! That was a pretty interesting read. I did a little more searching and found some more info; I've always been curious about 2CB but was totally unaware with its history in this context.
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jamie said:
Very, very vaguely. But not really. Not even close.
4-FA might be a better bet. Or MDAI, or 5-MAPB [no experience with the last two].
If you can afford it, 300mg of mescaline will also produce deep empathogenic effects, and these last (iirc) at least two hours more than MDMA.
Gotta dose with precision though, at least for me 330mg was 90% psychedelic 10% empathogenic vs 300mg which was 99% empathogenic.
True that. For me the threshold dose was at 5mg, in contrast to Shulgin's 10mg.soulfood said:
Never had access to LSD, but compared to low doses of AL-LAD, there's definitely some qualities both share. 2C-E has that "phenethylamine vibe": speedy, happy, acidy. Something it shares with 25I-NBOME and 25I-NBOH and even remotely with MDMA. It lacks the amphetamine deep breathing tho. I wouldn't necessarily attribute speedy & happy to tryptamines, but that's alright. I prefer being speedy and happy.soulfood said:
10mg produced 12h trips with seeing geometric patterns in pitch black rooms. Introspection, well... a) psychedelics in general never gave me true introspection even at heroic doses and b) 10mg were a little bit too low for a simulation of introspection. But the low dose can hint you where the trip might go at higher doses. Probably very mescaline like.
Ufostrahlen said:
See, I found the NBOME's to be absolutely awful on the body. Never again. LSD is stimulating, but very, very clean. 2C-B has a funny comeup sometimes, but never experienced a body load remotely like NBOME's even at 50mg insufflated which is.... very strong.
I guess MDMA has body load too, but also a painkiller/'couldn't give a damn if my ass was on fire' aspect.
So browsing a couple of other forums some folk have reported an MDMA like empathy from 2C-B. I'm still not getting it.
MDAI and MDA also do not produce the depth of empathy of MDMA in my experience. They have a similar feel physically to MDMA, but the closest thing I had to the empathy was mephedrone, but still. I wouldn't recommend that to anyone as the after effects are not worth it.