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4-HO/4-PO/4-AcO Tryptamine discussion

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It's unfortunate that people use psychedelics just to "get fucked up brah" but its the way of the world. I mgiht add that the popularity of 4-ho-met vs. 4-aco-dmt may also be related to the fact that 4-aco-dmt is significantly riskier to stock because an amount of the product degrades to 4-ho-dmt which we know is illegal. It may just have to do with availability.

Can anyone compare 4-aco-dipt to 4-aco-mipt.
 
shishigami said:
It's unfortunate that people use psychedelics just to "get fucked up brah" but its the way of the world. I mgiht add that the popularity of 4-ho-met vs. 4-aco-dmt may also be related to the fact that 4-aco-dmt is significantly riskier to stock because an amount of the product degrades to 4-ho-dmt which we know is illegal. It may just have to do with availability.

Can anyone compare 4-aco-dipt to 4-aco-mipt.
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I think that the decay of 4-aco-dmt into 4-ho-dmt is a myth. I don't think the has ever been any proof put up for that. I have read that using naoh it can be converted into 4-ho but thats it. Does anybody know more about this?
 
So, I tried 4-AcO-MiPT, in short it put me in a quite different headspace than 4-AcO-DMT and shrooms. There was less clarity and much less depth, however
the headspace was very joyous and positive. At the comedown I vaped 40mg of dmt and it added the shroomesque-depth it was lacking. Next time I
will try to vap DMT at the peak. As a conclusion I find 4-AcO-DMT and shrooms more useful.
 
I tried some 4-HO-MPT and found it to be confusing, lacking depth, and less euphoric than shrooms/4-ACO-DMT. It was, however very visual.
 
Does anyone have any experiential knowledge regarding the differences between 4-aco-dipt, 4-ho-dipt, 4-aco mipt, and 4-ho-mipt? Also 4-aco-det if thats even comparable?
 
I have experience with 4-aco-mipt and 4-ho-dipt.
The 4Mipt, IME, was just as 'Justine' pointed out a few posts above. The 4-ho-dipt wasn't nearly as joyous or pleasant as the 4mipt. In fact my experiences with 4-ho-dipt have been quite unpleasant. I normally do a lot of stretching, meditating/yoga while listening to classical or ambient music while on these sorts of compounds and normally it's quite nice. With 4-ho-dipt I experienced a lot restlessness. A lot of uncomfortable energy seemed to be oozing out of my limbs. In fact it reminded me a great deal of restless legs syndrome experienced during opiate withdrawal.
The 4-ho-dipt was more sexually stimulating though. My interest in 4DIPT was with the pitch bending effect I have read about with DIPT without the 4 function group. There are reports of this same effect with the 4-function group but I didn't experience any.
 
I've had some experience with 4-AcO-DMT recently at 8mg and 18mg. It's quite a beautiful substance. I have only limited experience with psilocybin but I would easily be fooled by the 4-AcO-DMT if I didnt know better. Mushrooms always last at least 4 hours but I haven't gotten more than 2 1/2 hours from the 4-AcO-DMT. Sure there are residual effects and an afterglow for some time afterward but I wouldnt call it 'under the influence'.

I found it to be an excellent substance for introspection. I worked through a lot of issues on the 18mg dose I had. It was just a magical experience for me. I still think I would prefer organic psilocybin/psilocin but 4-AcO-DMT is a close second in my opinion. I haven't tried it yet but I foresee it synergizing well with spice. I think it would be amazing on the comedown to vape a bit of spice or changa.

My 2 cents.
 
i just had to add my opinion on 4-ho-met. when i tried this the first time i took by accident a really large dose for a first time imo. dont really know how large it was, measured by eye and i was feeling cocky but i would guess around 70-80 mg. well it was so visual i actually couldnt see my hand in front of me for about 2 hours :p still it was so easy to control never fellt any anxiety or scared at all i just had a ball! i laughed my ass of even when i fellt as if i could split my personality if i wanted to (i didnt in case i couldnt put them back together :p ) since then ive done it alot and it is defenietly one of my favourite psychedelics ever! it was all that i thought a trip was gonna be before i had tried one. i do concur that mostly its not very deep and mystical but, i think if youre in a deep mind set at the moment you can have a really deep experience wich ive had several! i found it very therapeutic when ive had issues on my mind and it helped me clear stuff up. altough most of the times its just very very fun! like being a kid on acid going on the marry go round of your life! :p so i strongly recommend it to everyone that are interested.
 
I just had to make my mind up between 4-HO-MiPT and 4-HO-MET. Actually I wanted to grow mushrooms so I would have had access to my own little psilocin stash but my suroundings are not that good for growing so I had to pick one of those two because I somehow can't get things straight with 4-AcO-DMT. I just don't like that one that much.

Your post helped me to pick 4-HO-MET and I thank you for that. I already had very nice experiences with it in the past and I am looking forward to haveing new ones :)
 
A crude comparision ive heard about 4aco-dmt is that 10mg is roughly worth of 1g of cubes.

Usually people do around 30mg of the stuff and have a nice +++ maybe more, i haven´t tried this one yet since it seems to scheduled where i live since it´s an ester of psilocibin.
 
My feelings towards mush vs. 4-aco?
I've come to find that 4-aco-dmt is really similar to mushrooms, the only difference really being the come-up.
I get a strong wave of euphoric sedation on the come-up with 4-aco, often overwhelming.
I get a dysphoric sedation on the come up with shrooms, rarely overwhelming.
Depends on dosage though.
I just feel like 4-aco-dmt is stronger for some reason than mushrooms.
Either way I love them both.
 
fraterS.O.L. said:
shishigami said:
It's unfortunate that people use psychedelics just to "get fucked up brah" but its the way of the world. I mgiht add that the popularity of 4-ho-met vs. 4-aco-dmt may also be related to the fact that 4-aco-dmt is significantly riskier to stock because an amount of the product degrades to 4-ho-dmt which we know is illegal. It may just have to do with availability.

Can anyone compare 4-aco-dipt to 4-aco-mipt.
Click to expand...

I think that the decay of 4-aco-dmt into 4-ho-dmt is a myth. I don't think the has ever been any proof put up for that. I have read that using naoh it can be converted into 4-ho but thats it. Does anybody know more about this?
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There was an article on Erowid explaining why the 4-AcO compounds degrade into the 4-HO compounds over time, including lab analysis results of a sample bought, showing that it did degrade as suspected.

Erowid 4-Acetoxy-DET Vaults : 4-Acetoxy-DET / Ethacetin Degradation

A look at the break down products of 4-Acetoxy-DET / Ethacetin, by Murple
www.erowid.org

A friend of mine was worried about this so he sent off some of his 4-AcO-DMT for testing upon purchase, it already had a small amount of Psilocin present, and when tested a few months later with poor storage conditions around 20% of the sample had degraded into Psilocin.

Definitely not a myth.
 
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