4th non-starter in a row!

[gethyn]

The first time i ever ingested spice was four years ago. I had an excellent experience and was with a very close friend who had previous experience.

but since then i´ve had problems. that´s why i signed up to the forum. to get advice.

Since then I have taken the drug i have taken it with the same friend. On each occasion he has had a journey but I have not. The first time this happened I had been on a raw food diet for a whole week and fasting all day. When i began to come up I felt weak in my body and became convinced that i didn´t have the energy to get through it so i ate 3 spoonfulls of apple stew. bad idea. it cut me off from the experience and I lay there all night sitting my friend.

The following day we repeated having fasted all day. A no go for me and a trip for him.

Next time I tried we were on a cycling tour and so fasting wasn´t really an option. Again he tripped and i didn´t. This time i was convinced that my slower metabolism was the cause. that i should have waited longer between ingesting inhibitor and spice.

This last occasion i again ate raw for a week and fasted all day. i had been meditating and living well and was very much looking forward to the experience especially as it was with two old friends. we reunited in the south of spain to do it. i was very much looking forward to it and went with arms open. this time we left and hour and a alf between syrian rye and chali.

they both tripped i did not. i have a lot of nervous energy and suffer from back pain so after drinking the spice i stood up and stretched my body and swung my arms. i lay back down on the forest floor and realised that i again had been cut off or had cut off the experience. i don´t know if i caused a block or what? any advice very gratefully recieved. i want to get this rigth next time.

what´s going on here? it is mental is it physical? i can´t work it out.

 

[changalvia]

Ay man I feel as clueless as you

Its a most queer feeling when nothing happens

A lot of times I have stacked and inhaled (one inhalation) 100mg 1:1 changa (=50mg spice) to absolutely no effect, whereas the same blend kicked my ass prior and then again after etc

I have no idea why it happens

I came to conclude that the molecule is intelligent, I know others will disagree, or that your brain could be so intuitive that it would mentally block whatever experience you could have received as a form of mental protection

Contemplate set and setting really deeply beforehand, and if it feels wrong DONT

I know you gave it breaks and all, but

Try and take a break until the day you completely forget about it, not once during the day did you think of hyperspace or contemplate other realms, focus on this reality and exist in it in a state of satisfaction.

Give it maybe another week, and try again.

This may take forever tho.... I still think about it everyday :surprised

 

[gethyn]

settiing was un-betterable. beautiful fine forest cloose to sandy beaches with two good and trusted friends i have known foor half my lifetime.

the mental block thing has occured to me as an explanation on more than one occasion, however,
i was more open and prepared for the experience than ever before. one friend was shit-scared and he tripped his box off.

stumped

 

[Infundibulum]

The first time i ever ingested spice was four years ago. I had an excellent experience and was with a very close friend who had previous experience.

but since then i´ve had problems. that´s why i signed up to the forum. to get advice.

Since then I have taken the drug i have taken it with the same friend. On each occasion he has had a journey but I have not. The first time this happened I had been on a raw food diet for a whole week and fasting all day. When i began to come up I felt weak in my body and became convinced that i didn´t have the energy to get through it so i ate 3 spoonfulls of apple stew. bad idea. it cut me off from the experience and I lay there all night sitting my friend.

The following day we repeated having fasted all day. A no go for me and a trip for him.

Next time I tried we were on a cycling tour and so fasting wasn´t really an option. Again he tripped and i didn´t. This time i was convinced that my slower metabolism was the cause. that i should have waited longer between ingesting inhibitor and spice.

This last occasion i again ate raw for a week and fasted all day. i had been meditating and living well and was very much looking forward to the experience especially as it was with two old friends. we reunited in the south of spain to do it. i was very much looking forward to it and went with arms open. this time we left and hour and a alf between syrian rye and chali.

they both tripped i did not. i have a lot of nervous energy and suffer from back pain so after drinking the spice i stood up and stretched my body and swung my arms. i lay back down on the forest floor and realised that i again had been cut off or had cut off the experience. i don´t know if i caused a block or what? any advice very gratefully recieved. i want to get this rigth next time.

what´s going on here? it is mental is it physical? i can´t work it out.

Maybe you could give us more details about your procedure and dosages? It might just be that you do not take enough of MAOI and/or dmt. Normally people would re-dose if the effects are not strong and it could be that you just need more. Quite a few people (including myself) are like that and you just need to up the dose...

I understand completely the frustration and I think that no amount of raw diet or fasting will fix it for you at this point - granted, such rituals can tune the experience, as long as you actually get the experience, which is your problem now. So I would suggest you to try to find your sweet spot fiddling with dosage/preparation and then experiment with diet.

 

[Global]

I agree with Infundibulum. It's hard to see where you're going wrong without any specifics of how exactly you're getting the spice in your system.

 

[gethyn]

I hadn´t really considered the fact that dosage might be the issue because my I only really weigh 10kgs more than one companion and 10kg less than the other and they both tripped.

The last attempt was with 3grams of syrian rye and 300 grams of chaliponga.

the previous doses were worked out by my more experienced friend and he says he doesn´t really remember with clarity what the doses were but i can push him again. ...

 

[Infundibulum]

I hadn´t really considered the fact that dosage might be the issue because my I only really weigh 10kgs more than one companion and 10kg less than the other and they both tripped.

The last attempt was with 3grams of syrian rye and 300 grams of chaliponga.

the previous doses were worked out by my more experienced friend and he says he doesn´t really remember with clarity what the doses were but i can push him again. ...

3g syrian rue and 300g of chaliponga is already a wrong proportion....it sounds waaaaaaaaay too much for one to 3 persons, and a hit-or miss for more. This is the equivalent of ~250mg of MAOI and 3g of dmt. A chaliponga dose is in the range of 5-20g and a syrian rue (it is rue, not rye) is from 1-5g.

Also, it doesn't really matter how much you weight (it is however a good starting point for estimating dosages), what matters is your own personal pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics which can be from slightly to vastly different from others.

 

[jamie]

if you drink 300g of *real* chaliponga alone without rue, I am pretty confidenent that you will freak out..considering the stuff is already active sublingual on it's own, which has been tested by myself and others(corpus I think)..and it has effects unlike DMT. I would never ever ever drink 300g of it, let alone with harmalas.

Please take the time to learn what you are doing before you do it. You are lucky that you did not have real chaliponga.

 

[gethyn]

sorry - typo 30g of chaliponga