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5,6-dibromo-N,N-DMT - the 'undersea' equation...

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Is 5,6-Br-DMT hallucinogenic or not? Also wasn't there something about atoms on the '6' position of substituted tryptamines not doing anything? If having a 'Br' atom on the '6' position does make the psychoactive effects of the molecule different from 5-Br-DMT then that means that the '6' position does do something. So what is 6-HO-DMT like then?

How did they acquire these molecules from the sponges? Could members of this forum acquire 5-Br-DMT and 5,6-Br-DMT in the same way they did?

'while 5-bromo-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (2) caused significant reduction of locomotor activity indicative of a potential sedative action'

I think that indicates that 5-Br-DMT is a hallucinogenic similar to DMT, I think the reason it wasn't moving much was that is was tripping.
 
..i agree with seraph's comment that 5-bromo-DMT is probably psychedelic..
Shulgin and Voogelbreinder (2009) think it is probably psychoactive when taken in a similar fashion to DMT..there isn't any reason a Br substitution at this position would prevent or lessen activity..

some specimens of the sponge Smenospongia aurea yeilded primarily 5-bromo-DMT (at 0.88%) while other S. aurea contained mainly 5,6-dibromo-DMT, as well as 6-bromo-4'-N-demethylaplysinopsin [Tymiak et al. 1985]
S. cerebriformis (from Florida) contained 5,6-dibromo-DMT & ilimaquinone [Kochanowska 2008]
S. echina contained 0.95% 5,6-dibromo-DMT and trace new phenol
Polyfibrospongia maynardii yielded 5,6-dibromo-tryptamine & 5.6-dibromo-N-methyltryptamine
[Van Lear et al 1973] see also S. Voogelbreinder (2009) p.309-10..

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And again thanks for this interesting thread nen!


Im attaching the paper quoted by nen in the first post:

Secondary Metabolites from Three Florida Sponges with Antidepressant Activity
J. Nat. Prod., 2008, 71 (2), pp 186–189
Kochanowska et al

Im also attaching the Hu et al paper about brominated tryptamines and 5-ht2 binding.



Also a bit more info to add (from Trout's Notes on simple tryptamines), plus molecular structures:

General safety note: Marine organisms often contain toxic/poisonous material. Wear protective clothing, do not bioassay plants without being fully aware of the components found and what you are doing. Also do note that evaluation of gramine analogs suggests 5-bromo compounds may be more toxic than parent compounds

Interesting fact: Hydrogenation of 5-Br-DMT and 5,6-dibromo-DMT gave DMT (Djura et al 1980)



5-Bromo-DMT

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Soluble in ethanol, DCM, ethyl acetate

Activity: Unknown psychoactivity. Brominated tryptamines show a high affinity for human serotonin receptors (Hu et al. 2002. )

5-Br-DMT caused significant reduction of locomotor activity in the rodent FST model (suggested to indicate a potential sedative action). It did not show any antidepressant activity in either test. (Kochanowska et al. 2008 )

Sources:

Smenospongia aurea - collected in belize, only found in one of the two specimens collected at 0.68% dry weight, postulated it might be produced from symbionts that are not in all places where sponge grow (Djura et al 1980). Nen also posted the Tymiak et al reference.

Eudisoma fragum - sea-squirt from New Caledonia, 0.02% dry weight (Debitus et al 1988 )

Verongula rigida contained 5-Br-DMT (0.00142% dry wt.) (Kochanowska et al. 2008 )



5,6-dibromo-tryptamine


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Activity: Unknown psychoactivity. Brominated tryptamines show a high affinity for human serotonin receptors (Hu et al. 2002. )
Shows antibiotic activity against gram negative and gram positive bacteria in vitro but not in vivo (Van Lear et al. 1973)

Sources:

Polyfibrospongia maynardi - Caribbean sponge




5,6-dibromo-N-methyltryptamine


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Activity: Unknown psychoactivity. Brominated tryptamines show a high affinity for human serotonin receptors (Hu et al. 2002. )
Shows antibiotic activity against gram negative and gram positive bacteria in vitro but not in vivo (Van Lear et al. 1973)

Sources:

Polyfibrospongia maynardi - Caribbean sponge



5,6-dibromo-DMT

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Soluble in ethanol, ethyl acetate.

Activity: Unknown psychoactivity. Brominated tryptamines show a high affinity for human serotonin receptors (Hu et al. 2002. )

5,6-diBr-DMT showed significant antidepressant activity in the Porsolt forced swim test in rodents and in the chick anxiety-depression continuum model. (Kochanowska et al. 2008 )

5,6-dibromo-N,N-dimethyltryptamine produced significant antidepressant-like activity in the forced swim test and in the tail suspension test. It did not induce hyperlocomotion indicating that nonspecific stimulant effects did not account for the observed antidepressant-like action. (Diers et al. 2008 )

Sources:

Smenospongia aurea
contained 5,6-diBr-DMT (over 0.2% dry wt.) and 4 other alkaloids. (Kochanowska et al. 2008 )

Smenospongia cerebriformis contained 5,6-diBr-DMT as a minor alkaloid. (Kochanowska et al. 2008 )

Verongula gigantea
had 5,6-diBr-DMT identified in one of five specimens analyzed via spectroscopic means. (Ciminiello P., et al. 2000)

Verongula rigida
contained 5,6-diBr-DMT (0.35% dry wt.) (Kochanowska et al. 2008 )
 

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Interesting read Nen!!!

Go sponges!

Off-topic:
Am I the only one who sees the Domain unregistered. to view register at bit.ly/imageshack-domain thing instead of pics? I've noticed it appears in alot of threads. seems like the Nexus needs to register the site on imageshack or something?
 
Wow this is interesting! I've heard about bromo-DMT before, but wasn't aware that it was so much information out there. Could you elaborate the claim "Also do note that evaluation of gramine analogs suggests 5-bromo compounds may be more toxic than parent compounds", endlessness? Do you refer to Beng et al. 1970, the article attached?
 

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Hey Gingko!

Yeah, this warning was in Trout's notes and indeed the source was the paper you just attached. It says its an indication but clearly no proof, also we're dealing with animals there and not humans.

By the way, another interesting thing about these bromo compounds is that they could be from bacterial origin, not biosynthesized by the sponges, due to the presence in morphologically distinct areas of the sponges. (Kochanowska et al. 2008 )

PS: Can others see the images with the molecular structures or do they also get the image shack error?
 
Great find.

There is so much chemical diversity from natural products that has yet to be isolated it boggles the mind.

BTW I can see the images endless
 
endlessness wrote
By the way, another interesting thing about these bromo compounds is that they could be from bacterial origin, not biosynthesized by the sponges, due to the presence in morphologically distinct areas of the sponges. (Kochanowska et al. 2008 )
..if such a bacteria could be found and cultivated..that could be the answer to world-wide mass DMT production..!
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..imagine a kind of entheogenic yoghurt in which bacteria convert tryptophan (from aging milk) into tryptamine and then DMT..the yoghurt is cultured for a few weeks then extracted..:)

and if the Kochanowska et al. (2008 ) bacteria in Smenospongia hypothesis were correct,
then imagine being a sea-sponge..you find a nice spot in florida or the caribbean to set up for life,
and then you catch a bacteria that gives you (5br)DMT! ..permenantly..what a life..
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nen888 said:
..imagine a kind of entheogenic yoghurt in which bacteria convert tryptophan (from aging milk) into tryptamine and then DMT..the yoghurt is cultured for a few weeks then extracted..

Here's a guy that show you how to alter yoghurt bacteria dna in your home.
 
shulgin wrote about this in tihkal i believe.. i read an article years ago about people in i think french restaurants eating a certain species of fish who a certain season of the year feed on this sponge.. anyways .. the guys wound up in the hospital tripping balls... they were fine.. just tripping balls.. and its been reported several dozen times .. there is another sponge which has this compound as well as another potentially psychadelic bromolated dmt called smenosporia spongia (sp?) so yeah .. its psychadelic. Peace and godspeed all. !
 
This is interesting stuff...makes you wonder just what else is out there undiscovered in our oceans and rain forests.
 
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