Dwhitty76 said:
So far swim only sampled the virola theiodora resin from FV...... actually, last night, swim tried to give another go at it.This time using about 300mg. harmala extract first (sublingual), then about 20 minutes later, he insufullated about 300mg of the VT resin.Don't get me wrong the effects were very pleasent and somewhat sedating,but it still did not meet the expectations that swim would have, for having a full blown 5-meo experience, not even close. Swim actually got some visuals, if he unfocused his eyes and then let them relax as unfocussed, he was also playing some nice psy-ambient music, and he could tell there was a tryptamine feel present, but nothing major at all.
So, if swiy is getting such good result's because of his technique, do you mind asking him to share what that technique is,and at what dosages?
300 mg is not normally enough. 500-1500 mg is needed for a decent trip. SWIM likes a very light trip and uses 500 mg. He places it under his tongue and presses down hard so that it all stays under his tongue. He slowly swallows any saliva that builds up in his mouth. He makes sure to keep it tightly under his tongue for at least 5 minutes and then just swallows it all. For SWIM 300 mg is noticeable, but not much of a trip. 500 mg is where it’s starts to get trippy, but still a light trip. But some people needed massive amounts of 5-MeO-DMT to feel it, so some people need as much as 5000 mg of resin! That would be way too much for SWIM.
Dwhitty76 said:
Swim has to take a look at some of the chaliponga and virola teks teks and see which one is best,i would think extracting with virola might be easier than chaliponga, no?.
Chaliponga is hard to extract because of all the chlorophyll. You need to do a lot of defat steps.
SWIM has never attempted extracting the resin. But others have with poor results. They usually use acetone. I don’t think that the 5-MeO-DMT present in the resin is soluble in acetone. It’s present as a salt. To extract it into acetone, it must be freebased first. Often people freebase it with sodium hydroxide. I don’t think 5-MeO-DMT is stable in concentrated sodium hydroxide. Sodium carbonate would be a better base to use.
The following should work for the resin:
1 – Mix 4 parts resin with 1 part sodium carbonate. Add enough water to form a wet paste. Mix for about 5 minutes.
2 – Dry at room temperature with a fan until completely dry.
3 – Extract with acetone and filter.
4 – Add citric acid to the acetone and 5-MeO-DMT citrate SHOULD precipitate out of the acetone. If it doesn't, let the acetone evaporate a little bit, maybe put it in the freezer.
SWIM found that 5-MeO-DMT citrate was insoluble in acetone (at least to a certain degree), and so the above tech SHOULD work, but SWIM never tried it. Perhaps he will the next time he gets some resin.
Dwhitty76 said:
Supposing he tried that method.....i would imagine it would be hard to measure up dosage, because of the nn present, it would be hard to figure out how much 5-meo, one is actually injesting. Has swiy ever tried this before?
With chaliponga, SWIM has tried it many times. Chaliponga is usually about 30% 5-MeO-DMT or less, so judge the potency that way. It will be different for each batch, so always assume 30% is 5-MeO-DMT and the rest is mostly DMT.
Oh, don’t use freebase 5-MeO-DMT sublingually. It burns REALLY BAD. You want to use a salt form.
Dwhitty76 said:
If swiy or swimmers can extract nn,5-meo and bufo from these plants, it can't be completely out of reach in learning how to isolate them. I'm just suprised that there is really no info about this and that no one has seemed to have tried it.
SWIM tried, and thought he figured it out and posted a tech on it, only to find later that it didn’t always work.
He found that 5-MeO-DMT could be separated from DMT by dissolving both as freebase in acetone and then adding citric acid. Most of the DMT citrate would stay in the acetone while the 5-MeO-DMT would precipitate out. But it didn’t always work and I don’t know why. SWIM abandoned the tech.
Dwhitty76 said:
I know that swiy prefers 5-meo sublingual, i have read many of his reports. Swim is interested in sublingual usage aswell, but he's primarily interested in the smoked freebase, even though it seems many people don't like it.It's just sucks that the best route for him would be to find a synth online, and believe me he's been trying,none of the vendors he has seen even sells 5-meo anymore. It seems as if more people are interested in phens.Really, the only tryptamine that swim ever see's being sold, is 4 -aco- dmt fumerate, which is another molecule swim is eagerly waiting to experiment with.
I think the reason there isn’t a tech is that isolated 5-MeO-DMT smoked is an extremely scary experience if the dose it high enough. Most people will not do it again once they try it. SWIM will not, that’s for sure. He does like very small doses of smoked 5-MeO-DMT though, but not enough to really trip. He prefers it sublingually by a long shot. It’s an almost completely different experience that way.
