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5-MeO-DMT - Hype or Hyperbole?

Panpsychic

Panpsychic

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Have never done 5-MeO-DMT, my preference is smoked DMT + drinking Harmalas which I find to be a consistent doorway to communing with Divinity and an indescribably profound and deep experience.

5-MeO-DMT I am wary of the physiological side effects more than anything and that you need a sitter, whereas I generally always trip alone.

For people who have done both, beyond hyperbole what to make of statements such as:

"100x more powerful than DMT"
"Blows DMT out of the water, there is no comparison"
"DMT is good...but the real shits over here"
"The most powerful psychedelic in existence"
"Nothing can surpass this"
"In a different category than all other molecules, including DMT"

Like I said I am content with the sacred Harmala and DMT combo, but there is a question regards these statements. It reminds me of what people used to say to me years ago before I had ever smoked DMT and had 'only' done mushrooms and acid, and they would somewhat roll their eyes and say "you need to smoke DMT, its another level". Actually they were right in a way, but I struggle to believe the same is true for 5-MeO-DMT in regards to DMT.

Thoughts? Is the hype real or hyperbole? Is ones psychedelic journey incomplete without experiencing 'The God Molecule'?
 
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I'm not ragging on 5meo but most people who I've personally met have a really scattered vibe after their 5meo sessions. I've had a slight aversion to it. Not because of the intensity of the experience, which actually entices me, but because of how I see people affected months after their experiences.

Am I missing out on something? Maybe, but I don't have to (and can't) experience everything life has to offer in this incarnation. As for whether it's real or hyperbole, I'm obviously not in a position to say.
 
I would say, the two aren't really comparable as they offer very different experiences. But 5-MeO-DMT is the strongest, most intense experience I've ever had. And still, it's an incredibly simple experience, no visuals, or entities or any fireworks. The metaphor I usually use for a 5-MeO-DMT experience is that it's a simple experience of being, in all it's intensity, which is usually filtered out to create the consensus reality. You simply breathe, and perceive, you perceive everything all at once, your internal thoughts and their entire background, your body, your beating heart, your breaths, the energy flowing through every single bit of your body, along with your entire surrounding, everything becomes incorporated into one single experience. You perceive it all, all at once, and it's overwhelming beyond one's wildest imagination.

DMT is entirely different, I wouldn't even compare the two. I've had experiences with DMT which were extremely overwhelming, perhaps even more than my 5-MeO-DMT experiences, but they were of a different nature. At the same time, there's no one single cure for everything, no single tool for all purposes. So, while it's good to try everything out in a safe and healthy way, one should bear in mind, that we have different desires, needs and problems, what works for one person may not work for another.

That being said, if anxiety is your problem, and if you can bring yourself to try 5-MeO-DMT somehow, you may shit your pants, but it'll very likely help with your anxiety. A lot of other things may lose their scariness afterwards. Same effect comes from DMT as well, to some extent, but as far as my experience goes, nothing can rip you open a new one like 5-MeO-DMT.
 
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5-MeO what?

5-MeO-MiPT? 5-MeO-DiPT? So many possible 5-MeO substances. 😁

AFAIK "5-MeO" indicates that a methoxy group is attached to the fifth carbon of the indole ring in the chemical structure of a molecule.

I know you probably mean 5-MeO-DMT, but please let's prevent this confusion in the future by stating the full name from this moment on. Especially since we also discuss other substances on this platform with a 5-MeO group.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

P.s. I have corrected the naming in this topic.
 
I haven't done 5-MEO-DMT yet, but this discussion makes me think about a lot of errors in thinking about this that I've observed.

Both NN-DMT and 5-MEO-DMT end in "DMT" and people over simplify their categorization in a comparative way by virtue of this: NN-DMT= The Spirit Molecule, then 5-MEO-DMT= God Molecule, as if they're really comparable in those ways. What they seem to be missing is there are many molecules that we can call DMT molecules, but they aren't highlighted (4-PO-DMT, 4-OH-DMT, etc).

I can imagine and forsee a lot of hype by virtue of this observation. I can't say my stance until I try it though.

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Voidmatrix said:
I haven't done 5-MEO-DMT yet, but this discussion makes me think about a lot of errors in thinking about this that I've observed.

Both NN-DMT and 5-MEO-DMT end in "DMT" and people over simplify their categorization in a comparative way by virtue of this: NN-DMT= The Spirit Molecule, then 5-MEO-DMT= God Molecule, as if they're really comparable in those ways. What they seem to be missing is there are many molecules that we can call DMT molecules, but they aren't highlighted (4-PO-DMT, 4-OH-DMT, etc).

I can imagine and forsee a lot of hype by virtue of this observation. I can't say my stance until I try it though.

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Psilocin is also "4-HO-DMT". Its just we are familiar with it as the main active component of shrooms.

ROA is also a big part, I have wondered how it would be if psilocin were smoked for example, or smoked with an MAOI and how it would be then experienced.

That said, the other substances you mention dont have such notoriety currently; they dont have multiple books about them or retreat centres dedicated to them as far as I know, or people regularly referring to them as "the most powerful psychedelic in existence".

So it is with that in mind that I want to get a fair survey from those who have partaken of them both, or any of the other tryptamines in this category, particularly in smokable/vaped form.
 
Panpsychic said:
Psilocin is also "4-HO-DMT". Its just we are familiar with it as the main active component of shrooms.

ROA is also a big part, I have wondered how it would be if psilocin were smoked for example, or smoked with an MAOI and how it would be then experienced.

That said, the other substances you mention dont have such notoriety currently; they dont have multiple books about them or retreat centres dedicated to them as far as I know, or people regularly referring to them as "the most powerful psychedelic in existence".

So it is with that in mind that I want to get a fair survey from those who have partaken of them both, or any of the other tryptamines in this category, particularly in smokable/vaped form.
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I always mix up if it's ho or oh. Thank you

You're kinda proving my point. There are plenty of books on mushrooms and there are also retreats. Eat 14g and tell me it's not on par with a strong breakthrough in it's own way. Sensationalism doesn't necessarily reflect accurately necessarily. It's about the flow of information and how people popularize things.

Again, I haven't done 5-MEO-DMT, idk what I'm talking about. I do hope you find the answers you're looking for. 🙏

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TheAwakening said:
I'm not ragging on 5meo but most people who I've personally met have a really scattered vibe after their 5meo sessions. I've had a slight aversion to it. Not because of the intensity of the experience, which actually entices me, but because of how I see people affected months after their experiences.

Am I missing out on something? Maybe, but I don't have to (and can't) experience everything life has to offer in this incarnation. As for whether it's real or hyperbole, I'm obviously not in a position to say.
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This is exactly my feeling. At least for now I have no calling to it. And if i one day decide to go down that way. I'd feel safer with synthetic over bufo.
 
I have a decent amount of experience with 5-MeO-DMT with something like 100+ trips. I'd say the hype is certainly deserved, but it depends on what you're trying to get out of it. If you're an aspiring meditation practitioner and you're hoping to experience an extremely powerful state of samadhi as a reference point, then it fits the bill 100%. If the goal is a more loose and recreational exploration of consciousness, I'd be less inclined to nudge people in the direction of its use. It can be less fun and more serious than other psychedelics, and it can very easily and reliably plunge you into the unconscious/superconscious depths of yourself where your individuality ceases. But if that's kind of your target in life, then I don't know of any better tool to get a preview of it.

I see a few mentions in the thread regarding the potential after-effects. I can confirm that 5-MeO-DMT definitely has this characteristic. Individual episodes of the after-effects are typically called "reactivations" in the psychedelic community, but I've found them to more likely actually be what's called "kundalini syndrome" in the meditation community. It's a somewhat common experience for mediators who become too skilled too quickly, sink into deep states, and then find themselves with bizarre physical and mental symptoms that can last for days, weeks, or even years. The theory for the true cause of these symptoms could be considered controversial, but if you believe in the mystical traditions' explanation, it has to do with kundalini energy flooding your unprepared and atrophied energetic system and creating a kind of overload effect. Certain other psychedelics have a propensity towards this as well, such as LSD, which is where I believe the term "LSD flashbacks" comes from. 5-MeO-DMT seems much more likely to cause it though, even at low and moderate dosages. At least in my case, I adapted and stopped getting the after-effects after something like 30 trips.
 
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5 meo dmt is beyond this world. It is the most amazing experience one will ever take. The best and most sacred journey anyone can take. Pure truth. Have never done it with a sitter or guide. Always alone for me. NO SIDE EFFECT AT ALL. There is no word kn any language in the universe to describe it. Most any can try dmt or get it. Barley anyone gets the special chance to journey with 5 meo dmt. If one's gets a chance and takes it. He will forever be changed for the better.
 
Hi,

I have extensive experience with both. And yes it is not hyperbole at all. A full dose of 5-MeO-DMT is too powerful.

DMT is a nice visual roller coaster. 5-MeO-DMT is experiencing the cosmic big bang.

Regards,
famine
 
The Traveler said:
Please stop using only '5-MeO' and use the FULL name.

With 5-MeO you just state a huge group of chemicals with that chemical structure.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
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It is quite clear what we're talking about, 5-meo-DMT is much more common and better known than the other chemicals. Language has to serve the purpose of communication, and as long as it does that, it doesn't matter much what terms we use and how correct they are according to which system.
 
Jan e Kharabat said:
It is quite clear what we're talking about, 5-meo-DMT is much more common and better known than the other chemicals. Language has to serve the purpose of communication, and as long as it does that, it doesn't matter much what terms we use and how correct they are according to which system.
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Nope, it causes issues in search algorithms and people reading the new posts.

So please only use the FULL name to prevent these kind of confusion and issues in the future.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
Also being too loose and lax with specific terms opens the door for misinterpretation. We all do this, but even just saying "DMT" has issues, considering the number of DMT molecules there are as mentioned above. Descriptive use of language in this way makes things ambiguous.

Saying 5-MEO is saying there's a methoxy group off of the 5 position of a chemical ring. While most who use 5-MEO don't know this, that's where the prescriptive use of the term comes from, highlighting my above point.

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Reactivation/flashbacks from 5-meo-dmt aren't necessarily a bad thing. This phenomena seems to happen more likely with smoking/vaping. This is the case because of the extremely fast onset and peak effect with this route of administration. The instant loss of the ego and the instantaneous shock to he nervous system causes these reactivations.

On the other hand other routes like intranasal, sublingual and rectal dosen't seem to cause reactivation as often.

Also when dose is precisely measured according to personal tolerance and administered gradually towards a breakthrough it can be a smoother launch with same benefits with less negative side effects.

In more recent study older people has shown to be more likely to experience reactivation... females more likely to get them then males.
 
Sidisheikh.mehriz said:
On the other hand other routes like intranasal, sublingual and rectal dosen't seem to cause reactivation as often.
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I'm aware of the study you're referring to, and I agree it's interesting and has value, but let me assure you based on experience that reactivations can get just as intense from the slower-absorbing ROAs as well. Just something to keep in mind for those who'd like to avoid the uncomfortable condition.
 
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