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5-meo-dmt toad vs plant vs synthetic experience

PedroSanchez

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how do these three compare to each other as far as the experience goes? i assume there is a difference because there usually is due to other elements in the chemicals produced naturally.
has anybody tried all three? or even two of them? i was surprised to find very little on the forum when i did my search.
 
My toad and synthetic experience are almost the same at its peak. Toad has a wilder energy and feels like a warm embrace, synthetic feels clean and a bit “colder”. I also noticed a difference between synthetic powder vs vape, the powder feels closer to the toad than the vape pen.

Was on different dosages, different days spread weeks apart, toad on week 1 then synthetic on week 2.
1. 21 mg toad and 3 mg synthetic
2. 35 mg toad and 5 mg synthetic
3. 63 mg toad and 9 mg synthetic
4. 84 mg toad and 12 mg synthetic

I personally prefer synthetic as I seem to be more “grounded” than the toad :) but the toad is special.
 
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At this point, I don’t really see a reason to assume that there’s something else going on. To me, this mostly feels like the usual discussion around natural versus synthetic psychedelics. Psychedelics strongly influence perception, so expectation effects and self-suggestion aren’t hard to imagine at all. Given that, it’s not surprising that people believe natural and synthetic versions feel different.

From a scientific point of view, though, there isn’t much to argue about. The only way a difference would really make sense is if there’s something else in the toad venom that actually contributes to the experience. I haven’t looked deeply enough into its full composition to say for sure whether there are other psychoactive compounds present in meaningful amounts.

So my advice would be to read up on what’s actually in the toad venom and check whether there are other known psychoactives in there. If there are, then sure, those could color the experience. But if not, I think most of the perceived difference comes down to expectation, context, and self-suggestion.

Another thing to take into consideration is the impact of collecting toad venom itself. Harvesting venom harms the toads and is already contributing to population decline, which is obviously a serious problem. This is especially hard to justify when a synthetic variant exists that is just as effective and just as impressive as the toad-derived version. Using the synthetic option avoids unnecessary harm, reduces environmental impact, and helps protect the species from further decline or even extinction.
 
Another thing to take into consideration is the impact of collecting toad venom itself. Harvesting venom harms the toads and is already contributing to population decline, which is obviously a serious problem. This is especially hard to justify when a synthetic variant exists that is just as effective and just as impressive as the toad-derived version. Using the synthetic option avoids unnecessary harm, reduces environmental impact, and helps protect the species from further decline or even extinction.
This should absolutely be your first priority when researching this option.

Also, when a specific toad venom would contain a different alkaloid profile compared to only 5-MeO-DMT itself, you might want to look into ways of creating this same mixture yourself by using synthetic 5-MeO-DMT and adding the other ingredients from standard plant extractions.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
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