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5meoDMT & shamans

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bardot walker

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Dear Nexus,

i've been travelling around, following my path, things are going well. for money, sometimes i write stuff for a pretty well-known blog about psychedelics. i aim to use it as a platform to "spread the word" about this kind of stuff.

in a week's time i have a very rare opportunity - an exclusive interview a very well known practicioner of 5meodmt. this person makes some pretty far-out claims, has received a lot of media attention (and also criticism) for what he's doing. he's kind of a celebrity. he's the only guy i know of with UN approval for doing this kind of work. i'm excited to do the interview, it's a big deal for me, i want to write a really good article. i'm meeting him at a 3-day ceremony, where they offer yopo, kambo, and the toad venom. the toad venom in particular is not cheap.

the idea of healing through drugs fascinates me. i intend to probe his motivations. i understand the shaman archetype to be that of a trickster - and, with an opportunity to have a deep, recorded conversation with the guy. . . on a personal level i'd really like to know what he thinks it all means. what the toad spirit has told him. i want to somehow ask him, without offending him, why he charges so much money for his services. why he's the only guy who is qualified to do this kind of work. my understanding is that he healed his own addiction without a shaman or guide to help him, nobody shaking the rattle - and this all happened before he met with the native peoples and learned the chants and the traditional shamanic techniques he claims to know. so if he didn't need a shaman, then why does he need to be the guy that provides the experience and does the shaking? the guy has written a book, which i had a copy of but left it in a city i travelled through. didn't get a chance to read the thing. so i'm going in blind. the thoughts i've written in this paragraph might sound like my intention is to "expose" or defame him or something. that's not my intention at all. i have no ill will towards any human i just want to understand his motivations, his intentions, to learn more about this shamanism thing and then share my knowledge in the article. it's a tricky, wobbly line to walk between yin and yang.

on my travels i've met some very wise people who have told me to watch out, steer clear of anybody claiming to be a shaman, go interview him but don't take the medicine, the guy will get in your head, impair your judgment.

i had an opportunity, a couple of months ago, to take ayahuasca with a woman claiming to have healed hundreds using the medicine. it was all booked. i was excited. some weeks before the ceremony, i had a dream that i brewed the ayahuasca myself and took it alone. i decided to cancel the appointment and wait. i wasn't ready. and when i do decide to take the brew i don't want to put myself in the hands of a stranger. specially not a european. it doesn't feel right. i've had so many people tell me in the last few months. the self is the only guide you need. it's a leap of faith. trust yourself.

of course i'm skeptical. i never met anybody claiming to be a shaman before there is a duality within me. part of me wants to follow the advice of those who i've already met - let go, completely submit myself to one who a lot of people would say is a very powerful being. god knows i need healing. maybe it'll be really good for me. he's done this with thousands of people. he's UN approved. . . that has to count or something.

and i'm so curious. an opportunity to smoke real wild-harvested bufo toad venom isn't something that comes up a lot. i guess it'll probably make the article a lot more interesting, too. i want to live my life as a work of art - and i feel i shouldn't "cop out" on this one. i'm not afraid, not even a little bit. just distrustful of the "shaman". and i feel guilty about that because i have no reason not to trust him. his intentions seem very pure.

what do you think, nexus? have any of you met this guy, have you read his book, did anything come up while reading that that made you think?

do you think i should take the medicine?

can you think of any good questions to ask him, anything that would be interesting to talk about in our conversation?

thanks for reading. i'm very excited to meet this dude. i've come a long way to get to this point and i want to make this whole thing as worthwhile as possible - write a really thought provoking article that actually contributes something meaningful to the global conversation about this stuff.
 
take the toad
write the article
call him immediately on any shady cult like behavior or peevishness around details of his methodolgy
 
It would be good to have some personal experience with the subject matter.. but if this man has a mixed reputation I would be looking into why that is .. first and foremost.. Such a deep and personal experience should be guided by somebody you trust.. not somebody you are suspicious of. Just because the toad venom is being given to you by a "practitioner" does not mean that it is completely safe either. Have a read of this post about a recent harmful experience with 5-meo-dmt .. it was in a "ceremony" too.

Do let us all know how it all goes :)
 
If I'm correct in assuming who you are talking about, my first entheogenic experience was with the toad venom guided by the other notable but perhaps of less fame gentleman working with the stuff

I don't think a Shaman or Guide is needed in order to accomplish work with in oneself, and I don't think they can even really help much in that regard. I think the real benefit of a Shaman/Guide is to be someone who has experience with the medicines so that they are able to allow things to progress as needed in a safe way during ones journey and also to be an understanding ear to listen after the experience.

My experience with the toad venom and the shaman/guide/sitter was perfect, and I think it had a lot to do with how he saw his role in the journey. 5-MeO-DMT can elicit a wide spectrum of reaction from a person on it. Anything from yelling, screaming, getting up and walking around etc., all while having no connection to real life. It is dangerous for someone to do it alone.

It also would not be very beneficial for someone to do it with a sitter that doesn't have experience with the effects of 5-MeO, as a lot of "normal" reactions from the participant may be misconstrued as something going wrong or the person being in trouble. This of course could lead to actions that will interfere with the persons experience and subsequent benefit of it, and could make things actually worse.

My guide didn't insert anything into my trip, except for some gentle humming to help calm me during an apparently intense moment. The trip was mine completely, and was what was needed to be. He gave me a prep talk about the risks involved, the most effective way to take the medicine, some encouragement to not be afraid to let go, and probed about what I was looking. Other than that he assisted in the administration and sat in the other end of the area quietly observing. The instructions were to take as long as I needed when I came back, and just tell him "I'm back" to let him know when I was ready to operate in this world again.

In my opinion this is the way to go. It seems to me no one is perfect and inserting things into someones trip can only bring the possibility of inserting some part of the personal baggage or belief, ideology or what have you that we all at least have a little of.

As for investigating, thats what journalism is about. You are there to find truth, you presume nothing good or bad of the person. Ask the questions you want/need to ask to find the truth. If they get offended they are hiding something from you or themselves. State you intentions of an unbiased article and the you genuinely care to understand more about the subject, there should be no fear of that.
 
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