A/B MHRB and no yield

[Arnie]

Hi,
today I had very strange dream if I remember it well it was something like this:


I used A/B extraction of 30g of well shredded mimosa hostilis. My acts was this:

1) let sit MHRB in 220 ml 3,2 ph water for 1 day
2) filtered acid water out of bark to jar A
3) let sit same MHRB in 220 ml 3,2 ph water for next 3-4 days and after I filtered
the acid water to jar A.
4) Added 50 ml naphtha for deffating and then throw it away with fats and oils.
5) based acidified water with a lot NaOH and I added water. Now all the content is in 2 big fruit jars.
Total amount of my solution is around 1500 ml in 2x750 ml jars. Ph is above 10.
6) added naphtha (50 ml) for first pull, I was shaking it and after 4 hours I took naphtha away and pasted it on small glass coaster. I let it evaporate.
7) added naphtha (50 ml) again and after 24 hours I made second pull to the same glass coaster. I let it evaporate
8) Today I looked on coaster and i saw little bit of oil and no crystals.

Where is the problem? Is it possible that if I have solution of 1500 ml amount, that it is too big contant for 30g of MHRB?

Thanks for help

 

[Fear]

Ooh, did you remember to freeze the pulled naptha before the evaportion? That's important.

 

[3rdI]

morning Arnie,

were gonna need some more info,

1, what tek did you use?
2, did you heat your acid soaks?

from what I can gather so far I think that the DMT is probably still in your shredded bark, have you still got it?

I would use powdered bark and heat the acid soak. The defat is not necessary with MHRB. I wouldn't pull for as long either, an hour or so of agitation and separation should be ample.

Did you test your oil?

Ooh, did you remember to freeze the pulled naptha before the evaportion? That's important.

Hello Fear, its the other way round, if you want to freeze precip then its good to evap your solvent a little until it reaches saturation, this makes it freeze precip more effectively. If you were using an evap method then you can just leave the solvent to evap and you will be left with your goodies plus some fats and oils.

 

[Shhh]

Hello: having quite thoroughly and repeatedly read around this website, I might suggest some things.

Firstly I would say that it is ideal to use powdered bark, with more surface area exposed to your solution. It will be easiest for the alkaloids to migrate to the solution this way.

Furthermore, I'd say that 30 grams of MHRB is a quite small amount. Were you expecting typical yield of one percent, you may pull 300mg. And since you are splitting the extraction between two jars, that would make a potential 150mg per jar, which might not look like a bunch of crystals. I would say such an amount could be in with that oil.

I do not know about the acid soaks, but I have seen here more soaks suggested, and a warm water bath. I would personally be most confident in 4 boils, but it surely seems a matter of preference.

But assuming that your soaks pulled the spice out of the bark, I found this in the A/B overview DMT Extraction Overview - FAQ - All your basic questions and answers - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus :

. There is some debate over the optimal pH for this step. It's known that with certain plants sources (like Chacruna), a pH of 9 is sufficient to achieve maximum yields. On the other hand, Mimosa extractors have found that a much higher pH is necessary; this is likely due to the effects of various phytochemical solutes on the polarity of the aqueous phase. In theory, the addition of excess salt to the aqueous phase of a Mimosa extract prior to defatting ought to accomplish the same thing as the tremendous excess of hydroxide, but I've not yet heard of this being successful.

So for one thing, it is possible that your PH was not quite high enough. I would suggest something like 12.5, but again this information varies across the the site.

People seem to have found that adding handful of salt prior to basifying is helpful as well.

6) added naphtha (50 ml) for first pull, I was shaking it and after 4 hours I took naphtha away and pasted it on small glass coaster. I let it evaporate.
7) added naphtha (50 ml) again and after 24 hours I made second pull to the same glass coaster. I let it evaporate

Here, I would say that at least four pulls might be needed to pull the majority of you spice. And your technique as described is a bit unclear to me:

Did you shake the first pull for four hours? That would be excessive. All you need to do is shake or slosh for some minutes, let separate, and repeat four or five times.
Pull off the solvent then immediately. If you let the NPS sit on naptha for a time, it will soak up some oils where it is contacting your solution.
Your post makes it sound like for the second pull, you let the naptha sit on top of your aqueous solution for 24 hours. This is unheard of to me, and could explain those oils in your picture.

Anyway, just some things to look at in the future, and nothing that is not somewhere amongst this site's glorious trove of information.

 

[Arnie]

Hi,

my MHRB is shredded well to very small pieces, almost dust.

I used warm bath with water around 50 C and I put the jar with acid solution in it many times always when bath got cold. I was always shaking it very often. Second acid extraction was without shaking or hot baths, I just let it sit for 4 days. Whats the maximum temperature of bath I should use?


My base solution was shaked for 10 minutes with 30 minutes pauses for first time and then after 4 hours I made first pull and evaporated. Second pull was made by 24 hour on one place sitting jars. I was shaking it few times, but not too much as first.

Why should I use freeze precip? I just want to pull out naphtha and evap it.

I dont care much about oils, I just wanna see crystals. The 100% clear produst is not needed.

How long should I let sit my base solution, how often should I shake it and how many pull should I do?

 

[3rdI]

which tek are you using and what does your tek say to do at all these stages?

 

[Arnie]

I am not using some concrete tek, but I was inspired by Erowid DMT Vaults : Extraction : QT's DMT Extraction Guide

and many other teks.

 

[3rdI]

well that's probably where your going wrong just use a tek that is known to work and stick with it.

I suggest using cyb's salt tek

other than that I would reduce your liquid until it and your bark mush fits in a single jar, base it until its at the desired level (if it isn't already) and try to pull it again.

your DMT wont have gone anywhere you just gotta find it

good luck

 

[Arnie]

Yes I made it in this way but without freezing

 

[Fear]

morning Arnie,

were gonna need some more info,

1, what tek did you use?
2, did you heat your acid soaks?

from what I can gather so far I think that the DMT is probably still in your shredded bark, have you still got it?

I would use powdered bark and heat the acid soak. The defat is not necessary with MHRB. I wouldn't pull for as long either, an hour or so of agitation and separation should be ample.

Did you test your oil?

Ooh, did you remember to freeze the pulled naptha before the evaportion? That's important.

Hello Fear, its the other way round, if you want to freeze precip then its good to evap your solvent a little until it reaches saturation, this makes it freeze precip more effectively. If you were using an evap method then you can just leave the solvent to evap and you will be left with your goodies plus some fats and oils.

Is it faster, considering the fats make the naptha a lot less flammable? it also seems like that could also evap DMT along with it.
I've just started doing extractions and I've not yet read a guide that says to freeze AFTER the evap

 

[3rdI]

Yes I made it in this way but without freezing

which way? cybs way?

Is it faster, considering the fats make the naphtha a lot less flammable? it also seems like that could also evap DMT along with it.

If you evap some of the solvent (until it goes cloudy when it is blown on) then it will be more efficient when it goes in the freezer for the freeze precipitation stage. I don't know what the flammability of the naphtha has to do with anything, sorry, but DMT wont evap with the solvent, it will be left behind.

I've just started doing extractions and I've not yet read a guide that says to freeze AFTER the evap

you want to evap a little (until it clouds when blown on) before the freeze precip then do a full evap after (or reuse the solvent.)