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I stuck all the grass into a blender with some water..then threw it all into a pot andboiled it for a while, filtered it and reduced it..then defatted with naptha.. then let it fully evap in a dish near a heater..then added sodium carb and a bit of water to base..let it dry..

At that point it would not dissolve at all in the iso like I had hoped..so I added a bit of hot water, stirred it and it began to dissolve(only a tiny bot of water to make it soluble in the iso), then added 99% iso and stired it all up to get it to dissolve..then let it sit and some shit that wouldnt absorb along with some sodium carb dropped out and I removed the solution from this other crap with an eye dropper..

Then I again evapped it..added a bit more hot water(just a bit to get it to absorb..still to resiny for iso alone), then some iso and stirred it all up..thenI added some sodium carb again to clean it a bit and I was surprised to see that ALOT of shit dropped out of solution..so I let it sit again for a while and the solution at this point was a very very transparent light orangy liguid..removed and evapped it to what looked like orange oily oxides..very impure but I was satisfied enough to dissolve in iso and evap onto a bit of passionflower leaf to test..

I really only tested a very very small ammount..I need to do some more work to clean it up more to get it as concentrated as possible..but I dont know about xtals without zinc reduction due to oxides..

I am thinking that at this point it might be easier to get more of the fats that are not oxides with another naptha defat..I know that 99%iso mixed with napth will form one single solution..so..i add some iso to my final product orange oxide looking stuff, and let it dissolve and add some naptha to that..it should all dissolve that way. Then I add some vinegar(acetic acid) to this saturated solution to salt out the alkaloids. I did a small test mixing iso and naptha to form a solution, then added vinegar and that seemed to make both the iso and vinegar drop out..so I am hoping that the naptha will seperate, holding onto some of that extra fats, and that the iso/vinegar will seperate with more pure spice and oxides, meo,whatever..and evap it.

So thats my tek for now, until I get some zinc..because pulling with naptha wont grab oxides and I have no limo at the moment.
 
Whhhhhhoooolllyyyy..yes, yes I def pulled active tryptamines from that wild grass I picked!

I smoked 1 small hit slowly..felt a familiar stoning effect that was reminescent of a threshold dose of mimosa spice..nothing much but definatily there...

I was only planning on taking that one hit becasue I made the decision to do 3 doses at each level before I raise my dose..but I felt realy good so I loaded up some more and took another large hit..

I picked up an evaporation dish that had some jimjam spice evapping and looked at it, I sort of started to see faces..like my mind was trying to make pictures out of the lines in the evaporation..I started to feel mentally like I was tripping..def a tryptamine feeling..very mentally stimulating..

I stood up and al of a sudden it was like there were faint patterens all over my white wall..diff from DMT in the way that they were so faint..there were very beautiful but very very faint..and the mental stimulation grew and grew..the patterens only lasted for about 30 seconds or so until I sort of shut them out and ealked into the other room..the stimulation still grew..this was maybe 4-5 minutes in..the time scale of the effects is different from mimosa extracted alkaloids..its longer..and more stimulating..

It def felt this time like there was some DMT in there..and I am guessing meo as well..it was very mentally stimulating and somewaht warping, even at such a low low dose..which I am going to guess was the meo..I dunno if it could be the meo causing the faint gemoetry I saw, or if that is a bit of NN doing that..

I wish i knew more about what the hell it is that im pulling from this stuff..i am sure there are some weird beta carbolines in there..no real toxic effects felt yet, not at this low dose.

Keep in mind this is impure red oxide looking oil stuff, that is evapped onto a very tiny pinch of passionflower leaf..def not enough passionflower to feel a thing..this gives me more incentive to collect alot more grass and try to get a purer product to bioassay now..I am going to be damn careful bioassaying this stuff..and keep each one 10 days apart or more..always testing each dose 3 times before I raise it..
 
Incredibly great to hear! If entheogenic tryptamines are present, DMT is always the one found in highest concentrations. What species did you do the extraction on? And how did you extract it?

I am working on a extensive paper on Phalaris and related grasses that will blow the mind of you guys... Not to brag or anything, but it will be the best resource for information on anything concerning these grasses; it will be a great resource for all the known aspects. I have written over 15 pages until now, a release is likely to happen in July or August.
 
I used wild arundinacea..the tek is above..its not quick by any means and I need to clean it up alot..if I had zinc or limo right now it would make things easier..looking foreward to that paper!
 
@ Fractal Enchantment
Good to hear that your crude extract worked out fairly well and nice tech! :d

@ Evening Glory
Can't wait! I am really looking forward to your paper :p
 
Ahh, it is great to hear of Phalaris success, maybe this will inspire some more nexians to work with this plant.
If SWIY is interested, a hot heptane wash should isolate the DMT.
 
69ron said:
What would be your rough estimate of the yield from your Phalaris arundinacea?
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Im not sure..i dont have a scale here right now..but not much..enough for free grass though..I will know more after I do my next extraction and purify it more..

There is one thing though..there seems to be 2 stages going on here..the first one is definatily tryptamines..and its nice..prob a mix of the meo and DMT..you can tell that its tryptamines..it has the familiar tryptamine buzz and visual phenomenon..

THen there is another stage that lingeres for like 3 hours that is stimulation..at first its nice and mentally psychedelic..but thta might be from the lingering tryptamines as well..lots of people say meo is very mental and stimulating..but after 20 minutes or so it just gets annoying and almost feels like a phen..so I am thinking it may be hordenine..but I really am not sure..it finally left after about 3 hours and the annoying overstimulation was gone..

so next time I will have to see if that stimulation follows the same effects curve to make sure..and then learn how to remove hordenine from the tryptamines..if thats what it is..and maybe even test it on its own as well..I know hordenine is a phen and is a stimulant used by some peopel as a supplement..
 
Thanks fractal enchantment, your information is gold! Hordenine is indeed a slight stimulant. Do you think you could buy some hordenine supplement to try and test if that seems like what you are smoking? I really can't think of any other substances that may cause this effect. The beta-carbolines are never found in more than 5% of the total alkaloid weight, so that makes them very unlikely candidates.

The only notes I have on hordenine solubility is this: Very soluble in alcohol and chloroform, slightly soluble in benzene and toluene. 7 mg/mL in water. I know that probably doesn't help much...
 
I have not really started to dig deep in the alkaloid content of Phalaris arundinacea yet, but I have one paper (Clark et al., 1969) that found the hordenine to be 23% of the total alkaloid content in one plant. That was the only plant numbers were given on. I have no idea if that is a usual amount or not, as that is the only number I have.

DMT is always the main alkaloid in every species with entheogenic tryptamines. In Phalaris arundinacea, 5-MeO-DMT content range from 5% to 30% of total alkaloids. I think we can assume that the number for Phalaris arundinacea is at least not higher, most likely it is lower.

Anyone that can find the paper N-methyltransferase activities in phalaris aquatica (Mulvena & Slaytor, 1982)?
 
If anyone wonders, this is how DMT in synthesized in Phalaris. I compiled it of a paper I just read, for the large paper I am writing. Is this synthesis the same procedure that other DMT producing plants follow?

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Now for the synthesis of gramine, 5-MeO-DMT, bufotenine and hopefully at least parts of hordenine. That will be way harder... Could really help with the paper I posted link to in the last post, though!
 
The future of phalaris is the future of the nexus...
this work is very very important.
more people need to be wraping their heads around this one.
 
It's interesting how DMT extraction seems to have come full circle.

From what I've been able to gather, it seems that MHRB didn't hit the scene until (relatively) recently. Until then it was all Phalaris goo or synthetic, and more often than not, the goo would be added to inert leaf in order to smoke it.
Then MHRB came around and everybody was into ultra-pure, ultra-strong crystals. Previous knowledge of Phalaris was forgotten and vaporized crystals overtook enhanced leaf.
Now we're back to where we began. Changa is making waves and Phalaris is the future.

The difference is that now we've got much more advanced tek's so we can hopefully make a much more advanced product.
 
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