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A Guide to DMT Enhanced Leaf (Changa)
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Observant
Nothing Stops The Void
rahlii said:
I do not think that this is too dangerous , but that there are serious risks with increasing dosage .
We do not really know what we deal with as Iboga has 12 different alkaloids (no idea which are active when smoked).
I read that Traditional Iboga users/healers differ quite a lot in their views on the Plant and usage .
Some do smoke it traditionally , some find that this is pure blasphemy ... some combine it with cannabis , some dislike it too.
Wikipedia on Tabernaemontana :
I think you better know the effects of eating/smoking the Iboga plant on its own before mixing with Spice/Vine and better be careful with the dosage ratios ,of course , It sure gets deadly dangerous at some point.... anyway. Interesting that those 10% Iboga Leaf already has effects for you .Wiki on Ibogaine said:
Maybe you could try 50:50 Spice/Iboga , and leave out the vine next time .
Observant
rahlii
Rising Star
Thanks for the reply.
A previous mix included -
30% vine leaf
30% iboga leaf
40% DMT
The effects slighty lingered the next day. This is why I reduced the percentage of iboga leaf in the current mix given.
I'll try the mix you've suggested when I have more time to focus on intergrating these experiences as the effects can linger for some time. However I did not sense that it was bad in any way. Haven't made a bad mix yet.
A previous mix included -
30% vine leaf
30% iboga leaf
40% DMT
The effects slighty lingered the next day. This is why I reduced the percentage of iboga leaf in the current mix given.
I'll try the mix you've suggested when I have more time to focus on intergrating these experiences as the effects can linger for some time. However I did not sense that it was bad in any way. Haven't made a bad mix yet.
Astralking
Rising Star
Anybody tried salvia changa? Just as a guess im thinking they wont mix very well (even though i've not tried salvia yet).
They actually mix very well...but you won't need much, just a tiny pinch of leaf...my experience with a caapi/herb/salvia changa mix was one of my most amazingly beautiful, blissful experiences ever..like psychedelic opium. Amazing, ayahuasca like, long lived afterglow as well. Made you so incredibly blissed out and at peace you literally couldn't move for the duration...have never managed to recreate that particular batch since then 9I think it was also one of stronger spiced batches of changa as well).
Bancopuma,
Was that on a strengthened extract or just standard leaf?
Was that on a strengthened extract or just standard leaf?
ñuke mapu
Rising Star
Hello.
SWIM talked to me a moment ago..about that he extracted and re-x. some spice. He also says that he mannaged to extract what he belives to be jungle spice using xylene(he havent tried the dark extract).
Well..he is planning to make changuar and before SWIM do so he wonders about the "correct" way to extract the caapi leafs. Is there a "correct" way to do so? Or is there different ways to acheive it?
SWIM tells me that, once, he simply used acetone and it worked just fine. But he gets unsecure reading somewhere here that acetone is not the solvent of choice? What is then the solvent of choice?
Well, what SWIM has done is that he has left some caapi leafs and bark soaking in acetone in his freezer (as he did last time he), but now he also is trying to do a "water-extraction"-or as Acolon mentioned..a tea.
Acolon-This tea you made. Is this just as simple as you say SWIY made it? An ayahuasca type extraction, evaporating it down to a resin like goo, letting it to dry and then adding it to the herb-blend??
Well SWIM says that he will try it and then just let you changaleros know how it went.
SWIM talked to me a moment ago..about that he extracted and re-x. some spice. He also says that he mannaged to extract what he belives to be jungle spice using xylene(he havent tried the dark extract).
Well..he is planning to make changuar and before SWIM do so he wonders about the "correct" way to extract the caapi leafs. Is there a "correct" way to do so? Or is there different ways to acheive it?
SWIM tells me that, once, he simply used acetone and it worked just fine. But he gets unsecure reading somewhere here that acetone is not the solvent of choice? What is then the solvent of choice?
Well, what SWIM has done is that he has left some caapi leafs and bark soaking in acetone in his freezer (as he did last time he), but now he also is trying to do a "water-extraction"-or as Acolon mentioned..a tea.
Acolon-This tea you made. Is this just as simple as you say SWIY made it? An ayahuasca type extraction, evaporating it down to a resin like goo, letting it to dry and then adding it to the herb-blend??
Well SWIM says that he will try it and then just let you changaleros know how it went.
lonewolf123
Rising Star
is that the reason to use acetone? it pulls goods from the leaf?
ñuke mapu
Rising Star
lonewolf...yes 
Thats what my friend..SWIM told me anyway and a friend in here wrote that the longer the soak the better.
But SWIM doesn´t know if there is a better solvent to use, better or safer. Some folks here seem to use isoprop..and ethanol to get the goodies from the caapi leafs and thats whats make me confused in a way. Is isoprop or ethanol a better choice? Are they better/safer? solvents to get the goodies and in what way?
I was also reading that a brasilian friend here knows about a tek that only uses water..SWIY just makes a tea..water and acid-vinegar or lemon, boils it, extracts the goodies from the biomass.. then one salts the aqueous solution with sodium carbonate? filter evaporate and so on...UY!? the more one reads, the more complex it gets for some reason. But in the end its up to SWIM to set the barrier on how complex or simple he want to make it...
But SWIM think its allways fun to learn new things and me too , no matter how long it takes..
Thats what my friend..SWIM told me anyway and a friend in here wrote that the longer the soak the better.
But SWIM doesn´t know if there is a better solvent to use, better or safer. Some folks here seem to use isoprop..and ethanol to get the goodies from the caapi leafs and thats whats make me confused in a way. Is isoprop or ethanol a better choice? Are they better/safer? solvents to get the goodies and in what way?
I was also reading that a brasilian friend here knows about a tek that only uses water..SWIY just makes a tea..water and acid-vinegar or lemon, boils it, extracts the goodies from the biomass.. then one salts the aqueous solution with sodium carbonate? filter evaporate and so on...UY!? the more one reads, the more complex it gets for some reason. But in the end its up to SWIM to set the barrier on how complex or simple he want to make it...
But SWIM think its allways fun to learn new things
and me too , no matter how long it takes..
ñuke mapu said:lonewolf...yes
Thats what my friend..SWIM told me anyway and a friend in here wrote that the longer the soak the better.
But SWIM doesn´t know if there is a better solvent to use, better or safer. Some folks here seem to use isoprop..and ethanol to get the goodies from the caapi leafs and thats whats make me confused in a way. Is isoprop or ethanol a better choice? Are they better/safer? solvents to get the goodies and in what way?
I was also reading that a Dremlandian friend here knows about a tek that only uses water..SWIY just makes a tea..water and acid-vinegar or lemon, boils it, extracts the goodies from the biomass.. then one salts the aqueous solution with sodium carbonate? filter evaporate and so on...UY!? the more one reads, the more complex it gets for some reason. But in the end its up to SWIM to set the barrier on how complex or simple he want to make it...
But SWIM think its allways fun to learn new things
isoprop or ethanol work just fine
If you can get non-denatured ethanol, I guess thats the least toxic of all, but otherwise acetone and isoprop are good, they\ pure non denatured stuff should evap clean and fast btw, if you want to get most of the actives of the caapi out, dont soak it in the freezer, soak it at room temp, because in the freezer it will pull less actives
as for the tek that uses only water, vinegar and sodium carb, yeah that works no prob.. Ive only tried it with caapi bark (and rue), but it should work with leaves too...
btw, when you add the sodium carbonate you are not 'salting' the solution.. sodium carbonate is a base, so you are raising the pH and therefore freebasing the alkaloids (and the freebase harmalas are insoluble in high pH water)
In any case, I think the full water extraction is better if you are using a big quantity (like at least some 300g or smt), and when you want to have the alkaloids separately.. If its just to enhance some herbs a bit, I guess its more practical to just soak some bark in some type of alcohol or acetone for a few days, filter, and evap this in some herbs (maybe making a second soak in the caapi and evapping that just in case to get all the alks out)
ñuke mapu
Rising Star
Ehale! o ejalé! en español haha..
Endlessness.. thanks for the info hermano. Now i think i can tell my friend to not bother me so much more about this acetone/ethanol issue..
I think that it was one of your posts that explained the water tek..yes?!
And speaking of teas and so...Do you know if SWIM´s simple evaporated bark/leaf tea, that now is a dry "powder" is active when smoked? He have not basified the tea, just evaporated it and let it dry out.
Endlessness.. thanks for the info hermano. Now i think i can tell my friend to not bother me so much more about this acetone/ethanol issue..
I think that it was one of your posts that explained the water tek..yes?!
And speaking of teas and so...Do you know if SWIM´s simple evaporated bark/leaf tea, that now is a dry "powder" is active when smoked? He have not basified the tea, just evaporated it and let it dry out.
Yeah my first changa ever was made with chaliponga..my first real deep trips with smoked DMT were done with that batch..I like it but it is different from mimosa...worth doing for sure..the 5meo is a nice add on sometimes..need lots of defat though or else do a FASA..I made a mix a few months ago with caapi and mimosa..that stuff was real strong.
I just made what looks like my strongest batch yet of jungly spiced changa with a caapi extract and peppermint leaves..it's really really sticky..lots of jungle and N oxides I am guessing got pulled..cant wait to test it. It also smells good..I like the smell of the full spectrum jungly spice..
I just made what looks like my strongest batch yet of jungly spiced changa with a caapi extract and peppermint leaves..it's really really sticky..lots of jungle and N oxides I am guessing got pulled..cant wait to test it. It also smells good..I like the smell of the full spectrum jungly spice..
Seems I nearly forgot just how devine spice really is.
It's been about 6 weeks since I smoked my last dose of spice..been takng lots of bufo changa and having great trips but I missed spice..
Just smoked the tiniest bit of new batch of jungle spice changa and god it's potent and soo good! Im used to the long onset of bufo but this hit shot through me light a ray of light..feeling hyperspace near with mellow patterns forming on my eyelids with the suns says hitting them..opened my eyes to see that lovely blending of reality and shimmering lights..complete ecstacy:d..Im home..
Cant wait to breakthrough with this changa.
It's been about 6 weeks since I smoked my last dose of spice..been takng lots of bufo changa and having great trips but I missed spice..
Just smoked the tiniest bit of new batch of jungle spice changa and god it's potent and soo good! Im used to the long onset of bufo but this hit shot through me light a ray of light..feeling hyperspace near with mellow patterns forming on my eyelids with the suns says hitting them..opened my eyes to see that lovely blending of reality and shimmering lights..complete ecstacy:d..Im home..
Cant wait to breakthrough with this changa.
freethinker
Rising Star
Good to see the changaleros are still hard at work!
Espiridion
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the one constant is changa...
Have any of you swiys ever heard of Chilean Holly?
It is an admixture of some Shaman's Huascas. One discription claimed an easing of fears to explore new consciousness, that 'breakthroughs' were easier. It didn't elaborate.
Can't find alot of info but thought some of our more experimental minded changasqueros might look into it.
Would add a link but not sure about the vendor thing...
Google:
Desfontainia Spinosa - Chilean Holly
Namaste,
J
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the one constant is changa...
Have any of you swiys ever heard of Chilean Holly?
It is an admixture of some Shaman's Huascas. One discription claimed an easing of fears to explore new consciousness, that 'breakthroughs' were easier. It didn't elaborate.
Can't find alot of info but thought some of our more experimental minded changasqueros might look into it.
Would add a link but not sure about the vendor thing...
Google:
Desfontainia Spinosa - Chilean Holly
Namaste,
J
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mogascreeta
Rising Star
Drake said:
althought this was not changa, a close friend of mine quit heroin cold turkey after his first dmt experience (sandwiched) its now been 3 months and no more H
balaganist
Rising Star
mogascreeta said:
Thats really good to read. Viva Changa!
balaganist
Rising Star
3 Changa variations have been made from a recent d-limonene mimosa spice extraction:
Calea: 500mg spice, 500mg Calea leaf+flower, soaked in Calea ISO tincture.
Salvia: 500mg spice, 500mg homegrown salvia leaf, soaked in Caapi ISO tincture.
Harmala/Caapi blend: 500mg spice, 200mg harmala/harmaline freebase mix (from FV), 200mg mullein, 200mg peppermint, 100mg Caapi leaf, and a pinch of ground white Caapi vine - all soaked in Caapi leaf+vine ISO tincture.
Reports coming soon!!
Calea: 500mg spice, 500mg Calea leaf+flower, soaked in Calea ISO tincture.
Salvia: 500mg spice, 500mg homegrown salvia leaf, soaked in Caapi ISO tincture.
Harmala/Caapi blend: 500mg spice, 200mg harmala/harmaline freebase mix (from FV), 200mg mullein, 200mg peppermint, 100mg Caapi leaf, and a pinch of ground white Caapi vine - all soaked in Caapi leaf+vine ISO tincture.
Reports coming soon!!