A Physical Comparison of 25I-Nbome and 25C-Nbome Compounds

[ethnosplendor]

Fore note: I am aware the danger of speculating on chemical compounds based on their appearance and texture of their physical form.

I am curious to know if the two chemical compounds 25I-Nbome and 25C-Nbome have distinct chemical appearances. I have been told that 25I-Nbome tends to appear more like a fine white powder similar to baking soda, while 25C-Nbome tends to appear more redish brown with a chunky clump appearance similar to salt. For those who have had experience with these two chemicals would say these physical descriptions are accurate? On the chemical level would the reason why these two have difference appearances be because one is formed with iodine and the other chlorine? If in fact these two compounds under optimal conditions should have the same appearance (eg: white fine powder) what would be the implications be in regards to their quality if their appearances were different as earlier?

25I-Nbome:
25I Picture

25C-Nbome:
25C Picture


Ethno

 

[The Day Tripper]

its impossible to determine what a substance is visually.

Factors that will affect appearance would be cyrstalization methods, purity, hydration (depending on the substance), etc.

Two different synthesises of a compound, both the exact same purity, could look completely different.

For example, pure 25x compounds could appear as a chalky white powder, a sandy/coarse powder, crystaline shards, or one big crytal depending on how it was crystalized and the impurites present. the halogen/functional group substitution (iodine, chlorine, bromine, methyl, ethyl, thio, propyl, etc) in regards to whatever 25x it is, only plays into the appearance when different precursors are left as impurities in an end product.

Ideally, pure 25x powder's, as the hcl are white in color. The texture depends on crystalization technique/methods. (another way they can appear visually differnent is if its a salt or freebase, or different salt. IE freebase, hcl salt, or any other of the multitute of salts that can be formed, all could appear different, assuming they are all pure).

The only way to be sure what the substance is, is reagent/analytical testing. IIRC, traditonal reagents (marquis, merke, erlrich, simon's ect) may be able to tell you which nbome you have, but thats still a crude test. HLPC/NMR/GCMS is the only way to be sure, anything else is speculative, and with nbomes just downright risky/not worth it.

Granted the majority of people who obtain these compounds take whoever sold it to them's word that it is what it was advertised as, and analytical testing is impractical for most, its the only effective method. Thats why you need to be really careful with these hyperpotent synthetics.

Remember the bromo-d-fly/2c-e mix up? It could happen to anyone, and why allergy testing and working your way up slowly is the only method that takes HR into account outside of heavy duty analytical testing.

 

[hixidom]

Maybe using a handheld spectrometer you could discern some difference in emission spectra of the chemicals. This difference should be predictable based on the sizes and forces in the different molecules. I'd say that's our best bet for a conclusive test unless we want to pay somebody to engineer a chemical test for the substances. But hey, if we use these drugs enough, the government will eventually engineer the test for us

 

[ethnosplendor]

Thank you for all the information. I found it very informative!

 

[Trippym]

A friend had both of these a while ago , both where bright white almost fluffy powders....

 

[Dr_Sister]

If they are pure they should both be sparkly white powders,. Crystal size and texture will have more to do with how the salt was precipitated or recrystalized than characteristics of the substance.