A real Eyeopener: How to CHANGE!

[kyrolima]

I've learned an interesting thoughtmodel today.

toughts lead to feelings,
and the opposite is also true:
feelings lead to toughts.

Once I start negative thinking about myself i create "bad feelings".
Once the nervous system gets used to chemicals which resemble "bad feelings",
the body is "ready" and "expecting" these kind of chemicals flow trough the body.
The imprint of the negative tought of the mind ON the brain produces the evil:
Because the mind feeds the brain and the brain feeds the mind it gets confused with negativity if you FEED negativity.
kind of a vicious circle, which can only be changed in the present moment.

The method to change is:
To imagine a feeling beyond your ordinary feeling/thinking and behavior. How would you be like, what do you want to express. Listen to intuition etc.

It's something like reprogramming your whole body and brain.

You grow new synapses trough new (good but also bad) toughts.
It's like GROWING a new person from moment to moment.


I hope you start too, to "improve" your life by being yourself and live to your insights.
And always remember: DO IT NOW, CHANGE IT NOW, THINK IT NOW

the mind always sais " do it tomorrow "
you have to CHANGE NOW. There is no other reality!

 

[MooshyPeaches]

Damn that fleeting present moment =]

 

[kyrolima]

Damn that fleeting present moment =]

sometimes I wonder, if people need these kind of advice at all.
Maybe most of the people know this stuff already.

I'd be interested in your opinions!

 

[ms_manic_minxx]

It is one thing to intellectually grasp; it is another thing to DO.

Doing leads to KNOWING if TRUE KNOWLEDGE is direct experience. :shock:

Going to go think me some happy thoughts...

Thanks for the reminder!!

 

[1664]

Good thread.

I have wrestled with these thoughts for too long. I appreciate entirely where you are coming from Mr_DMT, the thoughts you are having RIGHT NOW create your experience. The viscious circle also applies when you realise this. The very fact that all you need to do to change is to change your thoughts, makes it more disheartening when your "lower" mind wins and you put it off again.

I think discipline helps to change. I have found progress by motivating myself to do little things like exercise etc. I find this makes it easier to keep a positive outlook.

Where did you learn this "thoughtmodel" from?

 

[kyrolima]

Good thread.

Thank You!

Where did you learn this "thoughtmodel" from?

The information I had known already before. But today I watched a Video from a guy named Joe Dispenza.
He explains this simple logic insight very good.

 

[Sublime]

I have struggled with this idea for a long time now. I believe we all follow habits and ways of thinking from the past. I always want to say now is the time to change, I really want to. We need to forget about the past, except for the fact that it led us up to where we are now. If you are not happy or where you want to be NOW, then begin to apply yourself, perhaps with positive thoughts, goals, determination and don't let any of your dreams or ideas be compared to past negative outcomes, it can change. This is why I like to believe that the past does not exist nor does the future. Everything is in the now, this is where you experience life, it also develops into the future if you want to look at it that way. By the way Mr_DMT, Buddhism provides a hell of a lot of information on this subject, as well as many other aspects, I suggest if you haven't already, look into it, you will learn a lot!

 

[kyrolima]

updated: pls reread first post

Thanks for the hint sublime. I'm looking for islam atm. Means, I get information on this religion atm.
Maybe I should start with some buddhist books too.

 

[Sublime]

That's good. Well, this makes me wonder if I can overcome initial fear of smoking DMT or doing any other entheogens. Since culture and society have already instilled fear as well as many users reporting of bad trips or terrifying experiences, I get the vibe that doing certain things, my brain reacts to them based on thoughts and feelings. Im sure there is an explanation for the body to act a certain way, somewhere along the lines of placebo. Still interesting, I want to fully understand it, I guess that takes experience. It's just odd how some people like certain food, some don't, some enjoy certain drugs, some don't. The brain is so mysterious..as well as reality in itself.

 

[Dimitrius]

Damn that fleeting present moment =]

I know. It's always standing so still. What's a mind to do?

 

[trancenut]

Where attention goes, energy flows!

 

[balaganist]

Yes, Joe dispenza is an inspiring speaker - I went to a talk by him right after being at an aya retreat with Ross heaven, he was saying very similar things to Ross, but using the language of quantum fields rather than shamanic... it is all linked, we need to realise how powerful our thoughts and intentions are.. we are all creators of our dream in physical existence.

He said, don't get out of bed till you are the person you want to be! The past exists only in the mind, as the future... I believe we can even change our past, by re-interpreting, healing back in time.

Good thread!
All the best to one and all, change is now!

 

[balaganist]

Where attention goes, energy flows!

Nicely put. A friend said recently when I asked him what he learned from some datura experiences, that all possible realities co-exist, and the one we experience is the one we focus our attention on.

 

[nabster98]

i have trouble with feelings turning to thoughts. i see this to be flawed, if not enlighten me. I feel that feelings are relative to situation. Situation being your surroundings and thoughts. With every thought comes an emotion, but to have a feeling come before a thought, that shows shallow thinking, and the inability to control the mind and ones thoughts.

If one is to achieve who they are, the first step is meditation and concentration techniques such as jhana. of course this is personal opinion. Once one has these i feel they have the valid ability to look upon them self and create an image of who they are currently, who they were in the past, look at how they changed, perceive their morals and their purpose, then create a future image of oneself.

Once this is achieved, youve one the first step, knowing who you currently want to be, take note that this is always changing as ego is coming in, mind is coming out, and perspectives change. The hardest step for me is always acting. You must first practice insight meditation, look at your goal from as many possible angles, ask yourself the hard deep questions of why and what, along with practicing everyday to take a self check and practice doing the things that you want, enough time goes by and something may have changed. But it is a constant struggle, it is part of life, and part of its fun.

 

[Morphane]

We can definitely train ourselves into better behaviours. I've learnt to deal with frustration in traffic by re-training my brain to view obstacles as neutral rather than negative things. My motive to change was the frustration and anger I felt. My reward now is tranquility of mind. The kind of tranquility I'm talking about should be illegal and expensive it feels so good, but it is mine for free now.

It's like training a dog in a way, but the ego becomes the trainer, and it is the subconscious, or whatever you want to call it, that is the subject. Some people may scoff at such duality, but I find it a helpful tool.

 

[prottel]

i have trouble with feelings turning to thoughts. i see this to be flawed, if not enlighten me. I feel that feelings are relative to situation. Situation being your surroundings and thoughts. With every thought comes an emotion, but to have a feeling come before a thought, that shows shallow thinking, and the inability to control the mind and ones thoughts.

If I am in a bad mood, I have a much greater chance of thinking negative thoughts. So, I'd say that emotions can affect thoughts. I find that thoughts triggers emotions, then the emotion triggers further thoughts in a feedback loop until you can break the negative cycle. Not always that easy...

But what comes before this? Beliefs...

 

[DMTripper]

Damn that fleeting present moment =]

sometimes I wonder, if people need these kind of advice at all.
Maybe most of the people know this stuff already.

I'd be interested in your opinions!

It's a good reminder of how effective positive thoughts are
Sometimes it can be very hard to think positive but remembering this does help.
Sometimes I've had to fight negativity hard but it pays. Forcing yourself to think positive at all times is a very powerful method to change your life to the better.

 

[Rollenberg]

I've learned an interesting thoughtmodel today.

toughts lead to feelings,
and the opposite is also true:
feelings lead to toughts.

The big imporrtant part of this process that results in change has been left out....

thoughts lead to feelings, feelings lead to thoughts, and most importantly, ACTIONS lead to feelings.

For instance, if you do good, you will feel good, if you are tired, you may feel like not doing anything, if you dont do anything, you will continue feeling tired, but if you do something, like exercise, you will not be tired anymore when you have finished.

If you can realise your negative thoughts and feelings, then you can counter them with actions, which will litterally change your thoughts and feelings.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[kyrolima]

The big important part of this process that results in change has been left out....

thoughts lead to feelings, feelings lead to thoughts, and most importantly, ACTIONS lead to feelings.

For instance, if you do good, you will feel good, if you are tired, you may feel like not doing anything, if you dont do anything, you will continue feeling tired, but if you do something, like exercise, you will not be tired anymore when you have finished.

If you can realise your negative thoughts and feelings, then you can counter them with actions, which will litterally change your thoughts and feelings.
Just my 2 cents.

I did concentrate with this theory on changing the mind. Action is the logical consequence of any change of your thinking. If you like me to modify the top-post, please send me a PM or post another reply. So I can specify this theory even better.

 

[Rollenberg]

The big important part of this process that results in change has been left out....

thoughts lead to feelings, feelings lead to thoughts, and most importantly, ACTIONS lead to feelings.

For instance, if you do good, you will feel good, if you are tired, you may feel like not doing anything, if you dont do anything, you will continue feeling tired, but if you do something, like exercise, you will not be tired anymore when you have finished.

If you can realise your negative thoughts and feelings, then you can counter them with actions, which will litterally change your thoughts and feelings.
Just my 2 cents.

I did concentrate with this theory on changing the mind. Action is the logical consequence of any change of your thinking. If you like me to modify the top-post, please send me a PM or post another reply. So I can specify this theory even better.

I think you misinterpreted my last post.

It looks as if you understood it as "feeling lead to actions"

but that is not what I intended, the point is that your actions can lead to feelings, thus using actions to change your feelings, rather than actions being the final outcome.

It would be unneescesary to edit the top post, but I just wanted to clarify my statement for you.