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hi everyone. here around i can't find vm+p naphta so i gone to dyer and he give me a drum of syntetic naphta. will it work ? what can u tell about this.
 
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dont know, but the first thing you should check is for evaporation residues.. just put a bit in a dish or bowl, let it evap and see if there is some residue left, some oil or whatever.. if so, then I dont recommend.. if nothing is left, maybe its ok.. one can substitute naphta for a number of non-polar solvents (but I dont know about synthetic naphtha in specific, if it has something in special that would make it not good)
 
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I tried syntetic naphta instead of vm+p naphta (couse I can't find the vm+p naphta ANYWHERE in TR) and look for what happens. There where 3 layers. One pure on the top. One like yellow in the middle and at the bottom brown. Keep the pure part and evaporate it 1/10. Then put in the freezer. This morning I look and see some little white things at the bottom. For the first time got no results. This was my second experience. And at last I have some crystals and a happy face. I want to learn the best way to keep the crystals and naphta out. They are in a jar. I want to learn that ; if I shake the jar and filter or just pour the naphta without shaking and keep the crystals at the bottom which way I can collect more?
 
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I have bad news. i filtered the crystals last night by pouring the syntetic naphta into the filter paper. i didn't see crystals on the paper they were still inseparable to the jug. so i decided to put the jug reversed on a plate. this morning i wake up and see nothing in the jug and the plate. where my crystals gone ?
 
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i think this happened couse of the syntetic naphta. I m still searching on google and couldn't find a vm+p naphta seller in my country . But i got an information that vm+p naphta is also called pine tree oil turpentine. There are sellers pine tree oil for balding. My i use this item ?
 
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I don't think the pine tree oil stuff is a very good solvent but you can try. The synthetic naphta will give better results when it's heated first, but you've got to be carefull with this. I would just experiment a little with what technique suits you best (in terms of available substances and time and so on). There are many solvents available and they all have their downsides. With naphta you need to do multiple pulls and you don't get all the alkaloïds from the plant material, toluene is a very good solvent but you need to evaporate it and it's fumes are unpleasant, toxic and if you inhale the fumes very often you will get severe brain damage. So if the pine tree stuff works i would stick to it because it sounds pretty harmless and if it doesn't i would experiment with some paintthinners available in your country (after you've looked up what you can find on the substance mentioned on the label).
 
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i reach the crystals with syntetic naphta at the bottom of the jug. but i loose them when i want to filter them. i was thinking it happened couse of the syntetic naphta. i was sure everything i did right except trying to put syntetic naphta. but now polytrip says u can use first heated syntetic naphta . I want to ask if u dont heat first does it means u loose all the stuff when u filter it?
 
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I don't know what exactly went wrong with what you did, but it sounds as if your DMT re-dissolved in the remaining naphta or something. The whole idea of freeze precipitation is that cold naphta can hold far less DMT then room-temperature naphta, so the DMT in it becomes solid when you cool the stuff. The greater the difference in temperature, the better this works. Hot naphta can hold far more DMT than room temp naphta and it can hold some other alkaloïds as well. If you use hot naphta for pulling the stuff out, then put it in the freezer and filter the stuff as fast as possible, before it becomes room temperature again, then you should have high yields and no vanishing DMT.
The problem might be of a different kind when you have used very old roortbark. In that case the DMT has oxydized and the DMT N-oxide does not dissolve very well in naphta and it doesn't form crystals as well. (this is what ron69 told me. He is really an expert in these things so you could send him a message and see what he has to say about this)
 
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i tried to pull again. and this time i start to watch the crystals. somehow in a few minutes my crystals at the bottom of the jug are melting in a few remaining drops of syntetic naphta. yes i try to be very quick and puor the most naphta i can puor to the filter paper.
 
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Forget the filter paper.

What works best for me is to pour off all the naphtha into another container, do not pour any of the crystals out. Once all the naphtha is gone turn the pan/jar that has the crystals in it carefully upside down for 5 minutes or so, again you don't want any crystals to come out. You will need to scrape the crystals out when they are fully dry, but you won't loose any in your filter paper.
 
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Yes, as acolon_5 says, forget the filter paper. He's giving good advice.


If you pour the solvent off of the crystals and the crystals are all vanishing or melting afterwards, then they are not DMT and are probably just ice crystals. In that case either of the following is likely a problem:

* The solvent is not a good solvent for DMT. I wouldn't use anything other than real naphtha or heptane for freeze precipitation. If you can't get real naphtha, can you get heptane? Heptane actually works better for freeze precipitation. Heptane is commonly sold OTC as “Bestine”. What solvents can you get OTC in your country?

* The DMT wasn't freebased properly and is not being extracted into the solvent. Make sure the pH of your water was pH 9.5 or higher for the final extraction into the non-polar solvent. If using DCM, you only need pH 9.5 (DMT is highly soluble in DCM). If using naphtha people recommend pH 13 or more (DMT is poorly soluble in naphtha).
 
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69ron said:
Yes, as acolon_5 says, forget the filter paper. He's giving good advice.


If you pour the solvent off of the crystals and the crystals are all vanishing or melting afterwards, then they are not DMT and are probably just ice crystals. In that case either of the following is likely a problem:

* The solvent is not a good solvent for DMT. I wouldn't use anything other than real naphtha or heptane for freeze precipitation. If you can't get real naphtha, can you get heptane? Heptane actually works better for freeze precipitation. Heptane is commonly sold OTC as “Bestine”. What solvents can you get OTC in your country?

* The DMT wasn't freebased properly and is not being extracted into the solvent. Make sure the pH of your water was pH 9.5 or higher for the final extraction into the non-polar solvent. If using DCM, you only need pH 9.5 (DMT is highly soluble in DCM). If using naphtha people recommend pH 13 or more (DMT is poorly soluble in naphtha).
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i bought the powdered rootbark from 100herbgalaxy this month.
i bought a dijital ph meter.
i used 1/2 lb rootbark
i use vinegar and tap water and the ph was 3.2 for the start
after cooking 60-70 degree for 10 hours 2 times the ph was 3.5
i added enough naoh until it gets ph 13.
then i put syntetic naphta and shake it for 5 minutes.
then i made a hot water bath to the solution on the crockpot for 3 hours. it was 60 degree.
then i seperate the naphta and put in a very closed mouth jar. and put in the freezer. wait for 3 days. after 10 hours i start seeing crystals at the bottom of the jar like i saw pictures on internet. is there anything wrong with these steps?

 
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then i made a hot water bath to the solution on the crockpot for 3 hours. it was 60 degree.
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dmt boils at just above 60 C. Even though you concentrate your solvent well, you also inevitably vaporize a good amount of your spice by heating to waterbath at 60 C. One should keep it to hotter than 50 C
 
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Ronue said:
then i made a hot water bath to the solution on the crockpot for 3 hours. it was 60 degree.
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dmt boils at just above 60 C. Even though you concentrate your solvent well, you also inevitably vaporize a good amount of your spice by heating to waterbath at 60 C. One should keep it to hotter than 50 C
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should i keep it hotter than 50 C but not much like 60 C. so it must be like 50C-57C degree am i right ?
 
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what is the difference between heptane and hexane ? which one is better ? tomorrow i m gonna search about them. and how they use. do they use like naphta pull 500ml then evaporate it 1/10 then freeze it.
 
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Swim has been doing this a very long time and the best advice he can give is to never pour your solvent/crystals through a filter ... dont break the xtals loose from the glass.. leave them there and pour off the solvent... let the jar or whatever dry of remaining solvent then scrape out your crystals ... this is 1000 times easier ... also about the solvent.. naptha really sux.. its really only good for seperating the jungle spice.. its all swim uses it for anymore. Get some ether , di-ethyl ether , chloroform ... something.. anything but naptha. I mean , naptha just blows. I know you have to work with what you got ... but if worse comes to worse just buy a couple cans of starting fluid.. spray some on some glass , when it dries ... wipe your finger over the place you sprayed .. if there is no residue then use it .. its like 2 bux a can and works wonders over naptha.. and its available in any auto parts store. Peace!
 
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