Botany Acacia and Mimosa Identification Thread

[nen888]

^..proceed with extreme caution based on two things:

1) different mesquites have different alkaloids
2) some of the uniquely mesquite alkaloids (e.g. prosopine) are very un-known in terms of pharmacology..

i would suggest only smoking/inhalation as any initial assay..that said, many mesquite are eaten or drunk as tonics..i'll ponder precisely which mesquite that is..
in the meantime see p12 acacia info thread for a summary on mesquite..

 

[Howyoulike]

Hi guys I'm on a quest for some acacia obtusifolia i heard they liked wet areas so i went down to my local river/national park and i found this.

https://imgur.com/a/DJjxW

I don't think it's obtusifolia but it might be maidenii i just don't know. (I took these photos in early march so i think I'm past the flowering stage).

I will post more detailed photos when i get a chance.

What do you guys think? is it even worth doing a little extraction or am i way off base and have a tree with no dmt?

Thanks in advance
-David

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

^..proceed with extreme caution based on two things:

1) different mesquites have different alkaloids
2) some of the uniquely mesquite alkaloids (e.g. prosopine) are very un-known in terms of pharmacology..

i would suggest only smoking/inhalation as any initial assay..that said, many mesquite are eaten or drunk as tonics..i'll ponder precisely which mesquite that is..
in the meantime see p12 acacia info thread for a summary on mesquite..

thanks for the heads-up and the link.

 

[acacian]

it looks like you have acacia melanoxyn ... generally not a viable candidate if your seeking tryptamines. there's been the odd finding I believe but its by no means consistent.. the flowers smell great though

EDIT.. i am now thinking acacia implexa due to the trunk and scattered phyllode growth.. will leave this one to the master

 

[Howyoulike]

was worried it was implexa I'll keep checking this topic to see if the master says anything different but i guess the search continues.

Thanks mate

 

[acacian]

yeah i'm certain its not maidenii though due to the rough trunk bark.. at least for its size

 

[nen888]

G'day

One of my mates bought an Acacia about two years ago and it was labeled as a Acacia longifolia sallow wattle, but it looks different to longifolias that I've seen & grown. The picture on the tag seems to be a good match to the plant he has, so I'm wondering if there is a narrow phyllode longifolia or if the plant could have been mislabeled.

The mature phyllodes are 6mm wide and on average 140mm long.

..sorry for delay..it's hard to see if there's a gland near the base of the phyllode or not..
i agree it's not A. longifolia..i'd guess A. maidenii..


Howyoulike, i think you have A. leiocalyx there, based on phyllode/bark..flowers and pod would allow proper ID..it has 3 good extraction results..and is very common..whereas obtusifolia is not real common in reserved environments..

and Parshvik C..i was getting deju-vu on the not mearnsii, and now think you have acacia lookalike Leucaena leucocephala [see acacia thread here]..not recommended for home extraction..how long are the individual pinnae (small leaves)?

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

..not recommended for home extraction..

por que?

how long are the individual pinnae (small leaves)?

↓ for comparison my fingers are like 12-17mm wide

 

[acacian]

the pic Hieronymous posted looks very similar to an acacia I found which I was unsure between floribunda and maidenii a while back...

very floribunda like flowers but maidenii-like phyllode ..

 

[iracema]

Today I found the acacia venerated by Freemasonry here in Brazil, majestic, beautiful, the so-called yellow acacia.

edit: pods picture added

 

[nen888]

^..amazingly interesting, as your posts always are iracema..
there are some very interesting known entheogenic acacias in Brazil..
a number of acacias in Brazil are still awaiting formal naming..i will try to work out what botanists call it..
beautiful..

..and acacian..that sure looks like floribunda to me..floribunda has quite variation in phyllodes..it's the absence of a basal gland and abundant flowers which mainly define it..
Heironymous' tree still looks more maidenii-ish to me..

and Parshvik C.. for why Leucaena leucocephala is not recommended for home extraction see acacia info thread p13 here..

 

[Hieronymous]

Thanks for that nen & acacian

I was starting to lean towards maidenii too for that one I posted a few weeks ago. It looks like an inactive one but I'm still not 100% certain. When it flowers I might get a better idea.

The plant got a trim today along with a few maidenii's, so I'll do side by side extracts and see what eventuates.

 

[iracema]

I have no idea what's the binomial name of this plant, nen...
At first sight I was very excited thinking I found the strongest jurema embira (Mimosa ophthalmocentra).
But this one has bigger leafs, then I took a picture, run it on google goggles app.
It showed a freemason page naming it yellow acacia, related to this image:

http://www.masonic.com.br/musica/acacia.gif

I followed searching, saw the respect and mystery around this plant, read some masonic insights as "learn how to die, so you can learn how to live"... so you can figure..
:d

 

[nen888]

..still pondering the binomial..a very beautiful tree..

i know the Masons swear their oath on Acacia twig..

Masons in Brazil..what a fascinating topic!

 

[Howyoulike]

Attempt 2 to find a plant with dmt. Went back to the same forest were i found the implexa I found 2 trees that might not be implexa.

Im crossing my fingers that they are either maidenii or obtusfolia. I don't think implexa has phyllodes that are that thin but im happy to be schooled on the matter.

Tree 1

https://imgur.com/a/DJjxW

Tree 2

https://imgur.com/a/YxNOp

i'm pretty sure my camera work is getting worse. again i promise i will post better photos when i get a chance.

Thanks in advance for answering my noobie questions

 

[Animistic]

Howyoulike,
Not an expert but I'll offer some advice because I'm fairly certain I can say that it's not maidenii or obtusifolia. If it were Maidenii it would be flowering right now. If it were obtusifolia it would have nice thick/leathery phyllodes.

Now for the part that I'm not 100% on and would suggest getting others advice as well but I think that the first is Acacia Melanoxylon, at least it looks like a few that I've found. The second could be Floribunda, the phyllodes are long/thin and have 3 veins which is characteristic of Floribunda, if it is then I'm happy to tell you that you've found an active but do wait until you get a confirmation from someone better at this because from what I've seen they're fairly variable.

A.

 

[Howyoulike]

Very good insight thanks mate.

because of your point about the flowering i think i'll keep looking for a maidenii since it'll be a little more obvious to spot.

Best not to hurt a tree for no reason.

I do appreciate it

 

[---ooo0ooo---]

Hi -

I'm trying to sort my maideniis from my floribundas. Or maybe I'm just wrong on both scores

I think the first two are A.maidenii and the second two are A.floribunda.

Yea or Nay?

Cheers -

0.

 

[nen888]

..hmm.it's tricky with only phyllodes to go by ooo0ooo..

the key distinction between the 2 species is as follows..

A. floribunda>No basal gland on phyllode; pods slightly curved to straight.
A. maidenii>basal gland 1-6mm from phyllode base (can be faint); pods twisted/coiled/spiraled.

..of course possible hybrids could really confuse things..
.

 

[acacian]

hmmm.... yeah i think the idea of hybrid is a very likely issue with maidenii and floribunda. Also suspect the same may happen with mucronata and floribunda.. some of the trees I've been looking at around the warrendyte area have very floribunda-like characteristics eg. lack of basal gland, hairs on phyllodes, papery phyllodes.. but have very similar growth to mucronata for example the branches growing much more erect rather than pendulous (which is a typical attribute with floribunda) as well as the phyllodes also growing off the thicker branches. I will get some photos next time I am in the area ... also wondering if the phyllodes on mucronata becomes slightly less stiff as they grow older and spread out more?