Botany Acacia and Mimosa Identification Thread

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..hmm.it's tricky with only phyllodes to go by ooo0ooo..

Yeah... I know Think I need to start carrying around a notebook and documenting things more properly.

I threw A.maidenii out there on the first set mostly due to the fact that it appears to be starting to flower. Guess I'll wait and see what develops.

As for the joys (?!?!!) of hybridisation - I think I've got a lot of years of observation in front of me before I can begin to hypothesize in that regard.

Thanks for looking guys.


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Hi -

Got bored this morning so went for a walk in the local national park - Sydney metro, north side.

Here's a few pictures of what I think is A.linifolia

Ciao,

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...and from a similar location, I thought this was A.decurrens, but now I'm not sure - the pinnae seem wider and shorter than descriptions and pics I've read/seen...

Either way, check out the colour on the trunk and branches - ZING! No oozing sap and certainly not that black coloured trunk that I'd associate with A.parramattensis.

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[Seldom]

something strange about inflorescences in the first 1, don't think it's linearifolia, the second could be one of a number, the best indication would be to look at the interjugary glands which are on the main stem

 

[kiang]

I found 3 different acacias, but i'm never sure which are what.

The first one i think is acacia longifolia, it is possible to see the long and young seed pod.

 

[kiang]

This acacia i'm not sure, it has no flower now but i remember from other years, the flowers are round.

 

[kiang]

This one i'm not even sure if it is acacia. It has leaves instead of phyllodes?

 

[iracema]

my post was a Piptadenia moniliformis, nen.
I knew all the time, was testing your identification skills.
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kidding, just found out.

 

[nen888]

..thanks iracema..i was scratching my head..

i suspect Piptanedia is currently under botanical revision as a number of piptanedia's are also synonymous with Acacias..e.g. A. santossi, A. paniculata..

 

[acacian]

hey kiang.. the first and third photo of your first post look like acacia longifolia subs. sophorae.. and the bottom three look like they may be acacia saligna

 

[medium]

Hey guys, I am in the China, Shenzhen / Hong Kong area and have found what looks to be like Acacia Confusa, can someone please let me know if I am correct? There are no flowers so it makes it a little hard for me to know. Also, when is this plant supposed to flower?

Thanks a bunch for any help!

 

[acacian]

it certainly looks like it.. not 100% sure though

 

[Astral Entropy]

Thankyou acacian. Bunderoo national park is the next stop to check out some obtusifolia growing in the area. Do you have any more photos or info to help with the identification

 

[medium]

Thank you for the reply acacian (assuming it was directed at me)

Is there any specific indicators that I can look for besides the leaves? I looked at the bark of the tree and it seems to vary greatly from one tree/plant to another. Some smooth, some with bark that is easy to peel (I did not peel it, but can tell by looking at it)

Also, when is it supposed to flower? That would make things a lot easier.

Thank you!

 

[medium]

One more thing, I know this is a little off topic but, what is the best method for sustainable harvesting of Acacia Confusa? I heard these plants are easily affected by cutting the root bark, I want to know how much is OK to take per full grown tree?

How about taking bark from the branches? How thick should the branch be to make it worthwhile?

Lastly, what is the normal way to go about testing it, just brew a very small amount and drink it, hope I am still alive in a few hours, lol.

Sorry for all the newb questions, but I have limited time here and would like to figure this out while I still have access to the plant.

 

[nen888]

hi medium..it probably is Acacia confusa, based on phyllodes, and location, however flowers or pods would decide for certain..
A. confusa has a fairly wide flowering period, from March until September..
..the other candidate is Acacia auriculiformis (which has had tentative 5meoDMT detected by J. Appleseed/Trout), an Austraian/New Guinea native planted in Fujian, Guangdong, Guangxi, Zhejiang..it however tends to have broader phyllodes..it has twisted wide pods and rod/spike flowers, whereas A. confusa has ball-shaped flowers and more pea-like pod shape..

One more thing, I know this is a little off topic but, what is the best method for sustainable harvesting of Acacia Confusa? I heard these plants are easily affected by cutting the root bark, I want to know how much is OK to take per full grown tree?

How about taking bark from the branches? How thick should the branch be to make it worthwhile?

Lastly, what is the normal way to go about testing it, just brew a very small amount and drink it, hope I am still alive in a few hours, lol.

..the stem/branch bark content of A. confusa is usually equivalent to root/trunk bark..harvesting of root bark (& to an extent trunk bark) is fatally harmful to Acacias, so pruning a branch is the most eco-friendly way..the safest way to test an unknown tree is to do a small scale extraction (A/B) and vaporise the resulting extract..while Confusa is safe to ingest orally, without absolute 100% ID this is safer..there are no reported extracts or bioassays of A. auriculiformis..

below are herbarium specimens of A. auriculiformis, then A. confusa to illustrate the differences..

 

[acacian]

I was astounded to read this on the Botanical Spirit website:

There are several companies now online that are offering the stem/branch bark of the trees and misrepresenting it as the rootbark. Not only is this very dishonest as it is not as effective for many uses but it also does much more damage to the health of the trees than our system of ethical root bark production (which is very safe to the tree and does not cause any negative resultsto its growth or future production of roots). We GUARANTEE this to be 100% rootbark.

I find it odd that they slam stem/branch bark vendors for not being sustainable yet they are claiming to harvest rootbark.. is there anyway to actually do such a thing sustainably? It annoys me that they would even feel the need to be havesting the rootbark when the stem and branch is likely good content as well.. especially at commercial quantities

 

[nen888]

^..this is just irresponsible and ill-informed..or catering to a folkloric market (who think it's just in the rootbark).. the tests done by endlessness as well as numerous experiments confirm that root bark and stem bark are the same percentage/contents..(i.e DMT/NMT+trace betacarbolines)
..the harvesting of rootbark would kill the tree..in the long term this is not sustainable..
i find it interesting that Tawain and China (in particular) have it together with plantations which are sustainably harvested, whereas Hawaiin sources are ripping in like cowboys..i suppose that A. confusa is technically a weed in Hawaii could justify this, but it's not a longterm outlook..

just as much of what has been called Mimosa hostillis root bark is in fact trunk/stem (and perfectly good) indicates that those who do manage plantations are wiser than using exclusively root bark..they want their trees still there and growing branches the next year, and so on..

..in basically all acacias i'm aware of, rootbark/trunkbark and stembark are the same..
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[acacian]

or catering to a folkloric market (who think it's just in the rootbark).

.. yeah this is what I am thinking. It would make perfect sense after the whole MHRB fiasco.. its funny, I suspected all along that the stem branch and trunk of mimosa hostilis would have been perfectly active. The odd thing is why would vendours need to lie in the first place.. maybe the rootbark was what was used first up... but it would make sense to me to just tell people instead that the other parts of the tree are active too and that there's no need for rootbark craving... then there would be no expectation from the buyers for it to be rootbark in the firstplace

..don't think BotanicalSpirit is a very fitting name for these guys... more like BotanicalSpear-it.

seems odd to me that a plant teacher would only have its actives in such a place... then again, I guess we have things like iboga

 

[medium]

nen888 you the man!

Thanks so much for your time. I have a clear picture now of what I will do. Which includes not using any root bark and just going for the branches instead.

I will also wait until it flowers before taking them, just because I do not have the skills or resources to do any kind of ab extraction and I would like to be certain of what I am taking before I drink it. (I will not mix it with anything since I heard it works without a MAOI) But knowing that acacias are not poisonous is a relief, so I guess the worst case scenario is the stuff does not work.

Thanks again, I will post an update when all is said and done.

Cheers!