Acacia tec wrong or Bunk bark?

[starway6]

I'm unable to post on older members site above ..[acacia tek].. Started by
..Thick light .. may I ask Thick light [or anyone]..a question..?

I recently received some [finely ground].. Acacia Confusa rainbow tree bark... and i tryed everything to extract crystals or even goo from it and NOTHING!:?:
I used the freeze percip method used for ..[Mimosa hostillis].. bark then tryed the boiling 5 times [5 hours total] in [acidic water [white vinegar ] and distilled water then naphtha as a solvent method for A confusa and still nothing?
This extraction was small scale.. using about 50 grams of A confusa material at a time..and after freeze percip nothing upon drying?
I did notice some tiny crystal looking things floating in naphtha before removing from freezer but they did not stick to glass and after drying nothing??..
I know 50 grams of material isn't going to produce a mountain of product ..but i should have seen a few doses of crystals ...i thought?
I suspect it may have received ground up limb bark?.. or maybe even spent bark material?
The Internet suppler allowed me to return product and maintained that it was a good product although.... admitting.. that returns of this finely ground up so called A Confusa bark is increasing daily!
People are returning this product more and more every day so maybe its bunk?
Has Anyone else received any [acacia confusa bark] that was void of DMT and had to return it?
Or did i do my extraction wrong?
I have placed new order for Acaia Confusa Bark [to different vendor] that looks much better and comes in whole or shredded bark form..
Any opinions?

 

[Vodsel]

I used the freeze percip method used for ..[Mimosa hostillis].. bark then tryed the boiling 5 times [5 hours total] in [acidic water [white vinegar ] and distilled water then naphtha as a solvent method for A confusa and still nothing?

FP is performed on the saturated solvent after the pulls, so you're probably referring to freezing then thawing the plant material to ease breaking the cell walls...

And just one silly question - you mention you boiled the bark in acidic water, then naphtha? No basifying step?

 

[starway6]

Thanks for response..
I am not a chemist but have extracted Mimosa hostillis bark several times getting nice white crystals..
I tryed the [MHRB]freeze percip method ..[on A Confusa].. a couple times and got nothing from the finely ground [A confusa] i received?
The vender maintains that the ..[ground up]..A Confusa i received was good ..although admits many customers recently are returning this product daily!
I also tryed ..[the boiling in acidic water method].. [pasted below].. and got nothing?
I was only using about 50 grams of finely ground up so called.. [A Confusa bark]
This is not a lot of material.. but it should have produced atleast a few doses of crystals.. [i thought]
I used the method i copyed and pasted below.. [without the freezing step] producing nothing..and think my bark may have been bunk?
Has anyone else got A Confusa Void of DMT?
This method below is the last [A Confusa extraction method] i tryed befor returning product/....[I think my bark was fake?

If you're having trouble getting crystals from acrb, use this tek Options
thick-light #1 Posted : 11/28/2012 3:43:28 PM QUOTE



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Location: NOW I noticed many folks posig a lot of a. confusa extraction problems, here's a tek that is easy and will produce fluffly white spice!

01. I used 500 grams that I froze and thawed twice then boiled in 2000ml of H20 with 100ml of white vinegar I let this boil for 1 and 1/2 hours then transfered the liquid to another pot and started reducing it. Do this at least 4 times adding fresh vinegar each time. I did it 5 and found that the 5th boil was lighter in color. Anyway as your cooking fresh washes start reducing prior boils in a second pot.

02. once you have the liquid reduced to about 1500ml let cool then pour into your extraction vessel. A half gallon mason jar works good. Basify the liquid with 150grams or more of NaOh and stir. While the liquid is still warm add 600ml of naptha cap the jar and with gloves and goggles on shake it over a sink vigourously. do this 6-10 times, let the nsptha and soup completely separate between agitation and on your last shake roll the naptha around the jar lightly to reduce emulsions.

03. Be patient and let the solvent completely seperate from the liquid even the red lines that drip down the side. Once it's seperated decant the naptha and put in a clean dry collection jar. You should end up with a milky white opaque solvent that's very cloudy.

04. Leave the jar to sit for 6-8 hours and the overly saturated naptha should start to drop the DMT and leave a thick layer of needle like crystals across the bottom and sides. Get another jar that's clean and dry and pour off the solvent into it. Let the crystals dry then scrape them up and spread them out on a baking dish. once these don't smell like naptha they are ok to smoke.

05. The solvent you poured off should be put in a freezer for 24-48 hours so all the goodies can be freeze precipitated. once this happens pour the solvent off then back into the bnasified a confusa. Scrape the crystals from the jar once they are dry.

06. repeat shaking the jar with the naptha and a. confusa soup 6-10 times letting it seperate then shake it again etc... If the solvent is still cloudy white let it sit 6-8 hours and the saturated dmt should crystalize inside the solvent. If it doesn't then it's not saturated enough.

07. If that's the case let the naptha evap half way then stick it in the freezer and let it freeze precipitate. 24-48 hors. at this point pour off the solvent and let the crystals dry then scape them up wait til the naptha smell is gone and enjoy!!!!

from 500 grams I was able to pull 4.367 grams of fluffly white spice so far and i'm still doing pulls and getting more spice in lesser and lesser quanities. I like to get the most out of my bark so I'll pull 'til I get nothing. You can do this too. Why leave any goodies in the mix? A sodium carb wash can be done if you want to clean your spice but I found this a/b tek produces very clean fluffy white spice that is yummy. Good luck!! And remember to be careful and take all the safety precautions suggested in the handling of your materials.

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[starway6]

I used the freeze percip method used for ..[Mimosa hostillis].. bark then tryed the boiling 5 times [5 hours total] in [acidic water [white vinegar ] and distilled water then naphtha as a solvent method for A confusa and still nothing?

FP is performed on the saturated solvent after the pulls, so you're probably referring to freezing then thawing the plant material to ease breaking the cell walls...

And just one silly question - you mention you boiled the bark in acidic water, then naphtha? No basifying step?

If basifying means ..[adding LYE to boiled acidic water]?
I did that step [added napatha]..then let the mixture settle and seperate..then using pipette .. i removed the napatha layey and put it in freezer producing nothing after all night freez? :?:

 

[BRutusF]

Getting the same results. Also used ACRB with the salt tek and it goes well until I pull from freezer to dry and there is nothing to scrape

 

[primordium]

Getting the same results. Also used ACRB with the salt tek and it goes well until I pull from freezer to dry and there is nothing to scrape

Ditto.

 

[acacian]

is there a sticky clear film on the bottom of the dish? mine didn't freeze precip but took days to form crystals after evapping the liquid which i suspect was due to high nmt content

 

[Psilosomniac]

is there a sticky clear film on the bottom of the dish? mine didn't freeze precip but took days to form crystals after evapping the liquid which i suspect was due to high nmt content

Could you elaborate on this? I've run into this sticky clear film and I don't know what to do with it. Did you evaporate all the liquid and let the goo sit for a few days, or did you evaporate most of it and let it sit sealed to form crystals?

 

[shanedudddy2]

*shock*...actually, not a shock. My last 3 500g batches from 3 different suppliers has been either small yield of inactive crystals, minor active (presume NMT, since it was more a wax with dosages in the range of NMT) or no crystals.
It`s a shame that supplier talk is banned with many others having similar problems.

 

[Journeymann]

*shock*...actually, not a shock. My last 3 500g batches from 3 different suppliers has been either small yield of inactive crystals, minor active (presume NMT, since it was more a wax with dosages in the range of NMT) or no crystals.
It`s a shame that supplier talk is banned with many others having similar problems.

I am new and have only used the A.confucia tree bark (not root bark) in conjunction with my Herbal Steamer setup without acid, salted, based, and used toluene for my pulls and just evaped the pulls to see what was in them (its a newbie curiosity thing LOL) and I am getting active oils in my plates on peppermint/harmala changa. That being said, I dont know how much total yields are yet (not really my thing) but it is active.

I have been using the Spice Extraction tek in the wiki which calls for xyelen/toulene for a wider pull of alks so maybe that is why I am getting actives. My understanding is that naptha is touchy at best and needs optimal conditions to work well for pulling.

I am thinking that I am going to stick to the tek and then use FASW for my pulls off the toulene next go around.

 

[jamie]

with all of thes reports of either really low yeilds or yeilds of stuff that is not DMT(probly NMT) I am starting to wonder about these claims that stem bark really is the same as rootbark. It seems that people all had luck with rootbark at first, then started using stembark and complaining of low yields or stuff that was inactive or jsut not like DMT at all etc.

Who knows though, I never tried the stuff.

 

[shanedudddy2]

I am new and have only used the A.confucia tree bark (not root bark) in conjunction with my Herbal Steamer setup without acid, salted, based, and used toluene for my pulls and just evaped the pulls to see what was in them (its a newbie curiosity thing LOL) and I am getting active oils in my plates on peppermint/harmala changa. That being said, I dont know how much total yields are yet (not really my thing) but it is active.

Indeed, my tek has remained the same, and the only worthwhile results (so far) have been bark that was obtained months ago (ironically, my first DMT extractions ever).
Any recent bark obtained in the last few months seemed to be fairly rubbish, even when ordering twice from my original bark supplier with active results.
I am trying one last supply, it seemed to powder differently in the blender...so perhaps that's a sign.
(I am considering a change from the norm, to be a positive thing )

 

[jimmy4fingers]

It sounds like bunk bark. The freshly harvested trunk/root/branch bark swim has encountered all have a pink/red/saffron red color. The root bark especially was deep saffron red and sappy. The trunk was deep red/orangy, the branch was pinkish/red. On drying these become a mahogany type color like this:

This bark gave white fluffy crystals on a carpet of yellowy chalky dense powder. Swim is not sure if it's active/good dmt as swim has no previous experience for comparision. Perhaps a MHRB extraction will be had in the near future.

 

[shanedudddy2]

I just thought of a good idea!
Would it be possible for people to upload their results, along with a picture of the bark that was used, to see if there is some kind of pattern.
This is only assuming they are starting with shredded or whole bark, going to hard to identify anything significant comparing powdered bark, i imagine.
Thoughts?

 

[maranello551]

I just thought of a good idea!
Would it be possible for people to upload their results, along with a picture of the bark that was used, to see if there is some kind of pattern.
This is only assuming they are starting with shredded or whole bark, going to hard to identify anything significant comparing powdered bark, i imagine.
Thoughts?

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