Acid / Base extractions - leasons learnt

[MrM]

My friend's pet goldfish recently finished SWIMing in international waters where he was busy experimenting with an acid / base DMT extraction. He learnt a number of important things. 2 attempts where made with approximately 250g of mimosa hostilis each time. The first attempt failed abysmally whereas the second was a great success. The first attempt failed partly because the basified solution and the naptha were not warmed above room temperature before being mixed together. Naptha really does dissolve a lot more DMT when warmed up and without doing this yield is significantly reduced. For best results the naptha and basified solution must be hot when mixed together and then kept above room temperature until separated out. The second reason for failure was due to the naptha and basified solution not separating out once mixed. The reasons the emulsion refused to separate are that firstly the mixture was shaken too hard, rather than tipped up end to end for 5 mins. The second is that my friend's goldfish wasn't sufficiently careful in filtering the mimosa gunk out of the acid before basifying and it seems that a thicker solution makes it harder for the emulsion to separate out. The second attempt was strained through an old cotton T shirt before basifying and then carefully mixed by tipping end to end so that there was no problem with the emulsion not separating. Also the naptha and basified solution where kept hot. This resulted in a yield (before recrystallisation) of just over 1.5 grams DMT from 250g mimosa hostilis. Just thought I'd share the info that my friend's goldfish passed on.

 

[El Ka Bong]

Woo HoooO!~ My 50th post ... ! more than half have been about this single issue I bet ! I just critique the step of the lye-stew, because it makes no sense, chemically. Once dmt is in the naphta, we're home free and just do what you want, but evaporation seems 'easiest'. If it is true, and I won't lose even 1% yeild, I guess I have to try a STB alla DrunkyDaBear's thread. Shall we wager,... ? I won't 'lie' about the results either... ! But btw, I never coined the phrase "Lazy Man's Tek" ... or "Potato Masher Method" but I did say "Lye stew" ... ! Was it called "lazy" because some folks don't pulverize the MHRB in a grinder first.? A "fast STB" involves pulverized MHRB, vs "lazy" being a way to digest chunky bark, and filtering is optional for folks in a hurry, I guess. Ness, why would you think I have superstitions about lye ? I know lye ..! Wiki' no lie ... Sodium hydroxide - Wikipedia notice how freaking soluble it is at 110g per 100 ml H2O .>! I meant my comments about 'shovelling' lye around as caution; since wihout a measure of pH, how would one know what's needed. And I asked about your understanding so you'd share it - do you measure pH before using a 'lye booster' ? Also, comparing notes on things, do we agree that a pH of 2 does the same as a pH of >13.5 to MHRB - that it chews up the cellulose and releases all the intracellular goodies ..? At a pH of 13.5 or more, I'm surprised there's enough bark in the stew to drop the pH to 13.3 even ... a pH of 13.5 is screamingly strong [OH-] ! I'm seeking and showing-up the 'limits' of our understanding. I'll tell you mine if you tell me yours. We all are making assumptions, including that yeild with STB is = to a yeild with A-B. I have vapourized lye-contaminated yeild ... in dumb newbi-Ness, and it absolutely freakin' sucked !. I thought I had 'lost' the ability to make brain receptors etc (2 bad trips) for weeks until I found some good spice. (heh what a newb...!) I 'assumed' it was lye contamination based on how I ran the tek, with excess lye, heat, and the resulting ugly crystals and taste. I worried too much about losing yeild to wash the crud, which was thrown out. Maybe that's my biggest issue - that making bad dmt is possible too. I figure that nobody else should make that mistake if we pass around 'sound' and safe information about teks. I am more 'newbie' with dmt than anything my ramblings-on might suggest otherwise. But I have to agree, with all this fuss I'll have to sacrifice 100 gMHRB to a crock pot of lye then ... and then report back. Spread some Happyness !~ ... don't drink too much coffee !

 

[MrM]

[quote:9f6ccf55c9]You seem to ask the most idiotic questions, but I'll humor you - So, what does lye do to MHRB is what is a lye booster?? Well, obviously lye has a double purpose of breaking down the bark material and releasing the alk salts into solution - a lye booster is used in case the ph has dropped, because lye working on bark can loose it's efficacy in solution.[/quote:9f6ccf55c9] I've got a quick question on this one. I was under the impression that the whole point of acid to base extraction is that DMT is soluble in an acid but not a base. If this is true (is it?) how does lye, once it has broken down the bark material, release the DMT into solution? Or do you mean that it releases the DMT in to suspension. I can imagine that might work, if that is the case. Not that I'm doubting the tech works if you say it does, just interested in the details.

 

[Garulfo]

This is the job of the naphta to dissolve the DMT in suspension. I guess this is why the STB tek works so well. My friend just weighted his first yield after two pulls of naphta. He get a ratio of 0.68 % (1.7 g from 250 g) which is already not that bad. More pulls will gather a bit more but a recrystallisation may be required as the spice is slightly yellow. My friend said that he used hot naphta in the idea to gather as much as possible, then do the recrystallisation if wanted.

 

[El Ka Bong]

good numbers to hear reported .. they sound 'fresh' ... ! But the next thing to wonder is - what is the yeild AFTER recrystalization... ?

 

[Garulfo]

To date it was a nice 2 g from 250 g (latest pull was very oily yellow tough) [quote:49e4ad7728]But the next thing to wonder is - what is the yeild AFTER recrystalization... ? [/quote:49e4ad7728] Indeed required as my friend tried it 'like that' :? Work in progress (slow method) Guess that it will be the next numbers reported Also guess that it will be much less... but other pulls are planned. For statistical datas, you'll be interrested to know that my friend weighted a 7th pull that was sitting for months in the plastic bottle from a previous batch... 400 mg of a slightly orangish powder were remaining. Quite nice to smoke as is. He was surprised 8) . The color is definitvly different than the usual 'yellow', more like a light 'salmon'. He wonder if there is some traces of the famous 'dark dmt'...