ACRB extract - great result - no unlock

[DeepThink]

Hello all - thank you for taking the time to read this. I wanted to discuss an issue SWIM ran into during an ACRB extraction and was wondering if anyone could help me isolate the cause.

SWIM scaled the Josh Isom ACRB extract using 200g of materials. This was SWIM's first extract and directions were followed - the only change was - 3 pulls made in succession from the emulsion jar using Ronsonol instead of naphtha (which I understand are the same anyways). The tek seemed to state to pull and return pull naptha to jar and pull again - instead SWIM pulled, pulled, pulled - 3 passes of naphta in seperate crystal jars.

The results seemed fantastic - too good to be true! Jar 1 small amount of crystal, jar 2 small amount of crystal, jar 3 - double boiler used to keep jar at close to boil temp - reaps ungodly amount of crystal - crystals forming in the jar before SWIM can pull it out! Reactions in jar were much more exothermic after double boiler. Had to vent them often and quickly.

12 hours later SWIM clears crystals - allows drying, removes from crystal jars - OMG this is it!

Attempt 1 - sandwhich - fails. SWIM feels pecular - knows that smell - knows that signal but its very faint.

Attempt 2 - SWIM sucks at freebasing

Attempt 3 - SWIM uses oil burner - there we go - now its really working - taste - its all there for the most part.

5 HEAVY hot rips in - NOTHING - just weird vibe. 250mg of magic is liquified by swim and vaporized - and nadda!

The crystals from jar 1 and jar 2 - seemed stronger to SWIM. Jar 3 seems - like its just 'crystals' that do little to nothing.

My question is - has anyone had this happen? SWIM has more ACRB and does not want to waste it. The lye/vinegar/naphta method is great - but what is SWIM doing incorrectly? Something else must be blocking the path?

Any help would be great - I've tried to explain it from my understanding of SWIMs predicament. This is two days of nuked ACRB love - SWIMS feeling very guilty to waste the potential of this teacher.

 

[Entheogenerator]

I actually have had something somewhat similar happen to me. The first time I attempted an extraction of Acacia confusa, I started by trying a STB. I can't remember if it was with 50g or 100g, but that's irrelevant anyways.

Proceeded as usual with Noman's tek, as that was the procedure I had performed the most with MHRB. I freeze-precipitated over the course of 24 hours, yielding a relatively significant cluster of nice-looking white crystals. They looked exactly like the fluffy white crystals I had produced in the past when working with Mimosa tenuiflora.

When I got around to testing the crystals, they produced a strange/interesting experience. They smelled, tasted, and melted exactly like DMT. I began to feel the onset of a DMT flash, but it passed just as quickly as it had manifested. Then I felt it building back up, and once again it diminished. This happened probably four or five times, the effects building and deteriorating, before I finally "took off" so to speak, into a rather mild journey. Much more mild than I would have anticipated from the dose which was administered. The duration of peak effects was probably less than five minutes, whereas I can usually count on about 7-10 minutes with DMT. A friend of mine and I both experienced similar effects to those described above from subsequent administrations of the "mystery crystals".

I decided to start another batch, this time using an A/B extraction, and the crystals from the first batch were dissolved in the acidic solution of the second. The final product of the second extraction and all subsequent batches was indistinguishable from DMT extracted from other plant sources.

To this day, I have no explanation for the "mystery crystals" which were produced by my ACRB STB extraction. I have considered the possibility of NMT being the principle alkaloid in that particular extract, but after further consideration I have all but ruled out that possibility.

Sorry I can't be of more help, but I figured my experience was similar enough that it was worth mentioning. Have you tried other smoking methods? Is there any chance that your (attempted) doses are being pyrolized rather than vaporized?

 

[cyb]

SWIM has more ACRB

Are you absolutely sure you have ACRB?...

This has been reported before and the bark was bunk/not root bark or some other species/genus.

Ps...no need to Swim round here.

 

[DreaMTripper]

Have you tried the thick layer of ash method?
Burn some herbs until you have a thick layer of ash then flatten it down.
Place the crystals on top and melt the crystals slightly into a puddle and allow it to cool and solidify. Then slowly put your lighter on it from a distance and move it closer until it starts to melt again and vapourise. Move the flame back a touch and slowly steadily inhale move lighter a touch closer if neccessary and keep inhaling that plasticy floral vapour until you feel your face electrifying then take another lungful in and prepare for launch, as reality starts to disapear take one more inhale and put the pipe and lighter down in your prepared safe spot.

It could be that you have a very clean extract of NMT and DMT co-crystallized. Meaning almost double dose is required in a very efficientmanner. Room temp pulls will pull more dmt and less other alkaloids then you can use hot naptha or toluene to pull the other alkaloids.
Its entirely possible ac is seasonal and varies content depending on a number of conditions. Are the crystals oily or rocks?

 

[DeepThink]

Thank all of you so much for replying. This makes me feel much more comfortable that we weren't smoking mystery poison. Woke up today feeling fine.

The crystals are dry and flaky - PURE white - only a bit off yellow AFTER sitting for two days. We loaded up what seemed to be a hero amount into an oil burner and really ripped it - I mean RIPPED it - the body feeling would rise up - and dissipate immediately. The crystals from our first two jars seem to REALLY be DMT and we wasted it by failing at freebasing. That third jar - while it looked like it pulled every possible thing possible and started crystallizing in the emulsion jar - this jar has to have the NMT / DMT combo. I did not freeze precip - all I did was precip at room temperature. I did a 4th pull from my emulsion jar and this pull pulled NOTHING. Pull #3 pulled EVERYTHING somehow (from what I can conclude).

The ACRB is chipped up and red. When it was acid cooked it stunk to high hell of that smell I know. The feeling though - just weren't there - it seemed like we would get to the launchpad but no liftoff no matter how much we smoked - to the point we got lung pain from either 'bad something' or from dry heat / air from oil burner. I am going to try the ash method again today possibly. I still have roughly 800g of ACRB and I believe this is the legit stuff. REMOVED

Here is my other luck - I am in Southern California - I should be able to source local plants such as phalaris aquatica (sp). The main issue I am having is finding reliable testing information for gramine. I would rather just gather locally than even mess with a vendor. I practice a form of shamanism and I feel this is the way I should be doing it. So if anyone has any source knowledge of the area - I could really use some plant types to research.

Thank you again everyone. I feel a lot better today and I suppose its time for attempt #2.

Also - does anyone keep notes on their observations during this process? I feel compelled to document things so that I can refine my process.

 

[Entheogenerator]

DeepThink, please edit your last post and remove all mention of buying and vendors.

If you just precipitated your solvent at room temperature, there is probably still a lot of DMT left in the solvent. How do you know that pull #4 pulled nothing, if you only tried precipitating at room temperature? There's a good chance that the solvent from pull #4 contains more alkaloids than you think. NMT will precipitate from the solvent more easily and at a higher temperature than DMT, so it is not unrealistic to say that your extract may contain NMT as the primary alkaloid, with most of the DMT still remaining in your solvent.

I always keep notes on any extraction I perform, that way if something unexpected happens I can go back and see exactly what I did to cause it.

 

[DeepThink]

DeepThink, please edit your last post and remove all mention of buying and vendors.

If you just precipitated your solvent at room temperature, there is probably still a lot of DMT left in the solvent. How do you know that pull #4 pulled nothing, if you only tried precipitating at room temperature? There's a good chance that the solvent from pull #4 contains more alkaloids than you think. NMT will precipitate from the solvent more easily and at a higher temperature than DMT, so it is not unrealistic to say that your extract may contain NMT as the primary alkaloid, with most of the DMT still remaining in your solvent.

I always keep notes on any extraction I perform, that way if something unexpected happens I can go back and see exactly what I did to cause it.

Thank you and thank you admins for updating my post.

It seems this must be the case then. I still have my solvent and my crystallization jars. I'm going to take the solvent and freeze precip tonight then and see what turns up. Thank you again for the help and info in this. I just wanted to make sure keeping notes wasn't me being over nerdy about this as I tend to go full OCD when involving myself in something.

I will freeze precip tonight and see what turns up. So much thanks entheogenerator. I'm still new to this process and have been reading up for weeks and still grasping at all the concepts. I'm a numbers person and come from a world of computer logic so the organic logic of chemistry tends to throw me for a loop. Also its like I'm trying to craft magic and I feel like one wrong step and I get a giant fizzle. I'm going to continue reading other techs and familiarizing myself with everything so I have an understanding from all angles and not just the linear step by step my understanding seems to be in now.

 

[mailorderdiety]

i had this exact same thing happen with some acacia confus. I got the best most fluffy white crystals ever. crashed out at room temp. i was so happy. they appeared almost like asbestos. smoked and got the strangest mild buzz, onset of a dmt trip and nothing more. i went all the way up to 100 mg and just barely threshold. i have no idea what it is and i still have the lovely crystals.

 

[Synkromystic]

i had this exact same thing happen with some acacia confus. I got the best most fluffy white crystals ever. crashed out at room temp. i was so happy. they appeared almost like asbestos. smoked and got the strangest mild buzz, onset of a dmt trip and nothing more. i went all the way up to 100 mg and just barely threshold. i have no idea what it is and i still have the lovely crystals.

I have had the same type of crystals, crash out at room temp. They are most likely a co-crystalization of nmt and dmt. The nmt precipitates out of naphtha before dmt, but when it does, it can pull some dmt out with it. I consider the crystals to be 80% minimum nmt crystals. Nmt CAN crystalize although it is generally in the form of a goo.

 

[DeepThink]

Well I'm happy to report I freeze precipped and the magic WAS there the only problem I found was this:

I strained with a coffee filter - I could literally see 'milky' stuff in my naphtha and stuff pouring onto my filter. The problem - it seems to BIND with the coffee filter. Then - looking back at my jar I poored the filtered naphtha into - the crystals were in there - milky white looking. How do I get these crystals or 'whitish' stuff out of my naptha so I can utilize it? Is evaporating all my naphta the solution?

So I empty my pyrex pan and there is a gooey residue lightly at the bottom. I scrape this up to what looks like 3 pencil tips worth of orangish wax. I vaporized this and OMG - 2nd hit body lock - friend helps with tiny last hit of goo and I'm right there - next thing I know theres a purple fractal eyeball floating around the room. I come unlocked for a minute and get up and walk into my kitchen - the eye follows me there and then goes into my cabinet facing blinking at me as if observing if I was going to continue or just finish where I was. I had a few more 'sites' but - I'm definitely on the right track. Thank you everyone for your help and feedback!

 

[DreaMTripper]

Youre better off soaking the filters in IPA then infuse some herbs or just evap the IPA at room temp to leave some shards.
Glad it worked out for you the orange wax is full spec and some oils. Sounds a potent extract enjoy!

 

[PurpleBassHead]

Is this a common problem with ACRB extract?

I was about to perform an extraction, and this made me sad.

 

[Sweet Tea]

No, not common, and it seems to have been resolved. No need to be sad, just be smart and safe. Q21q21 drytek 2 worked pretty well for ACRB in my experience.

 

[PurpleBassHead]

No, not common, and it seems to have been resolved. No need to be sad, just be smart and safe. Q21q21 drytek 2 worked pretty well for ACRB in my experience.

Thanks for the hope! :d

Edit: Off topic, but how did the Q21Q21 extraction work for your ACRB CorpseBuffet? Did you yield solid fluff, or goo?