Adapting cybs salt tek to one gallon/250 gram extraction

[MystiCat]

So I'm thinking that maybe 250 grams of acacia confusa would be the amount I would use, so I would take that 250 grams and go ahead and soak in about 900ml water, with how much vinegar to acidify? Would I be able to multiply the vinegar used in Cybs salt tek by five or no? After I freeze that overnight in the acidic water solution I would take it out, thaw, and place in a heat bath for two hours. I will then boil 500ml of water with 175 grams of salt. Add 260 grams of lye into one liter of water, pout into the extraction vessel and top off with 1135ml water and put it in the heat bath for another two hours. Now, would I pull with 250 ml naphta? Thanks for your help

 

[Earthwalker]

I have a method that always works well for me. I use 10ml water for 1g bark, although you could use less. I typically extract 50g at a time so I'm really only using half a liter of liquid.

I use a 5% sodium hydroxide solution. No ratios here, just a flat percentage.

I highly prefer using chloroform or methylene dichloride as an extraction solvent because not only are they more efficient at pulling goodies, they allow you to use completely different techniques. On a level of practicality, naptha would be a better choice for many of you. So let's figure that you filter your bark after an acid boil, I wash (defat step here) my acidic solution with .02% of my volume I'm extracting. Liquid to liquid extractions are the way to go.

The math here is V x .02 where V=volume of acidic liquid. An example is I use 500ml liquid so I would wash with 10ml naptha.

Now, if I were to use naptha I find a formula of V x .05 works pretty good. So multiply your volume of solvent by .05 and that's how many ml naptha I'd use. So for a 50g extraction using 500ml liquid I'd do 500x.05=25. So 25ml naptha per pull.

2000(ml)x.05=100(ml) so for 2L I'd pull using 100ml naptha.

So after I was done with washing (most here call it a defat, but it's called a wash) my solution I'll boil it down to 350ml stirring frequently. Why do I stir frequently? I stir frequently to evenly distribute heat throughout my solution. I will add 150ml basic solution to bring my total volume back to 500. I keep this in mind while adding my lye; so when I add it, I'm adding 5% lye to a 500ml solution, not 150ml..

I'm working on a different approach to naptha extractions/washes that will allow people alot more ease of extracting. It's something I've found to be quite efective extracting other materials where the specific gravity of your solvent is less than the liquid your extracting. (Cuz napths floats on top). I think it'll prove useful for many members here.

Why on earth do you constantly over complicate things with you're methods , it's a simple question that deserves a simple answer that has been givin , again I don't no who you're trying to impress with all this jargon but if you just simplify things a lot more maybe you will help a lot more then you hinder ...

 

[1ce]

Excuse me please,

What jargon? Honestly what right do you have to flame me? What right do you think you have to follow up my postings with inflamatory comments?

I gave him a method to look at the volume he was extracting with and base the amount of ingredients he needs to be able to answer his own questions. Furthermore, I explained to him using examples he could picture mentally to see what I was referencing to.

If words like 'wash' are too complicated for you then you need to deal with that personally. If using simple mathematics to find a percentage are that much of a hinderance to you then perhaps you should give up (kitchen) chemistry and leave it for the grade schoolers.

Did I miss the mark? If I have then induldge me, but do not assume you have the right to openly flame me over ignorance of a given subject you seem to know little about.

Edit:

I see LOADS and I mean a LOT of posts of people wondering how much of 'x' to use in an extraction. Maybe we should provide them with a way to find their own answers then. To me, that actually seems helpful. You know what would really help? Maybe a well put together 'method' that can be stickied for people to look at their extraction and say to themselves: "alright, so this much naptha for that much bark" would be quite useful imho.

IME I use 2 x 2 ltr bottles with 125g -150g per bottle with this TEK

ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

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Edit : also combine all pulls then do the mini AB or nps clean up because the fats are that saturated it's gunna be hard to yeild full fledged crystaline yeilds remember this is IMO or IME :thumb_up:

^ Well yes, that's a very nice opinionated 'just do it this way' answer. You failed to tell him why, and you failed to give him information he could take with him to extractions of varying size. You'd rather give the man a fish. I'd rather teach him to fish.

 

[Earthwalker]

Excuse me please,

What jargon? Honestly what right do you have to flame me?

You know what would really help? Maybe a well put together 'method' that can be stickied for people to look at

Yes they're called extraction TEKs

And there is plenty of information in this forum to explain any little detail that one would like to know , and it's not mysteriously hidden it's there for the taking , they've just got to look for themselves ...

 

[1ce]

The time this gentleman askes his question, there were 1 or 2 people asking pretty much the same question on this 1 page of the forums. Either people are lazy or the information just isn't easily findable.

Anyone can whip out (even an old) cellphone and use a calculator. If that's too much then why are we instructing them to make class 1 drugs involving chemicals than can blind, burn off skin, or set their home ablaze? We must assume a certain level of compotence is present.

 

[MystiCat]

Enough with the bickering my friends, no need for it But I do find some of the information here hard to obtain, and I feel like some other people do also, that is one thing I agree with. I've read the FAQ a couple of times looking for answers and the best answer I got was the 1 gram of lye to one gram of bark to 15 ml water, and that is where I've been told to look for answers. Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I don't think so, I am a very capable minded individual with a thirst for knowledge, I really think there needs to be some cleaning done on the FAQ to make it a bit more helpful. In the ratio section all they have is the ratio above, which is apparently for STB, and there is no A/B ratio, and it also tells me specifically to just scale it up or down accordingly, which mislead me into thinking I could just multiply the ratio and end up with my answer, instead of realizing if the volume of fluid doesn't go up, then the ratio stays the same.

Now for my next question, do you guys think that if I follow this Great yield of golden wax cybs salt tek - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus extraction recipe I used which resulted in over a 2% yield with the same bark, I should be fine? Even though I will be using a 750ml bottle instead of 1 liter? I'm just afraid the liquid will be too thick and the naphta will get lost in there, but what do I know? Thanks for the help guys, I really appreciate it

ALSO, cyb is saying that ratios are outdated, so if they are outdated, and everyone is always saying read the FAQ, then why is the FAQ outdated? Sorry if this thread makes it seem like I am looking for shortcuts, I'm really not, I'm honestly just trying to figure out the few things I'm finding I still don't comprehend, and for some reason I am not finding them so here I am humbly asking.

 

[1ce]

As long as you filter your bark I wouldn't worry about trped solvent. That is the only time I've actually seen it happen. There is a thread about forum cleanup, and you raise alot of good questions.

 

[MystiCat]

So you are suggesting I filter after the acid soak? Like I would do my freeze thaw, and then soak in heat bath for two hours, and then run the liquid through a T-shirt or something? There would be no noticeable loss of yield?

 

[1ce]

Certainly not. You pull the DMT from the bark to the liquid, and extract from the liquid, not the bark. You can reboil your bark in acid again to try and get more spice out for sure though,