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ImpressiveAlexander

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SWIM has tried DMT freebase a couple times now. I think he's addicted because of how amazing he says it makes him feel. So, my question is how is this different than any other drug? such as crack, meth or black tar heroin? If anyone out there does it on a regular basis do you consider yourself on par with a crackaddict? if not why not?
 
ImpressiveAlexander said:
SWIM has tried DMT freebase a couple times now. I think he's addicted because of how amazing he says it makes him feel. So, my question is how is this different than any other drug? such as crack, meth or black tar heroin?
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Did I just read that? Seriously? DMT compared to crack, meth and heroin? WHAT?

DMT is not physically addicting at all. You may have an urge to revisit the place it takes you, but most people recognize that using it too often don't lead to anything positive. It will mess you up if you abuse it, trust me! You should not use DMT the way most people use the substances you mentioned, as an escape from reality. It will do you nothing good.

DMT should be used for personal growth and/or spiritual experiences. Enter the experience with an intention broader than an urge to get a good feeling and watching a light show. And please, for your own good, take time to integrate every experience and the knowledge they provide you into your daily life.
 
You can't get addicted to spice; if you even think that is possible, then I think you might be in for the most almighty hyperspatial ass whoomping in history, I'm afraid. Good luck with that
 
I assure you DMT is in no way physically or psychologically addictive in the true sense of addiction ie if you dont take it you suffer physical and /or psychological distress.Your friend may be enthralled by his experiences so far but they need to remember (or perhaps experience?) that this compound can horrify as well as amaze.This effectively precludes addiction in any psychological way.
 
I think people use psychological addiction as a cop out to lay the blame on something other than themselves. Just because something makes you feel amazing that does not make it addictive.
 
Alright, Impressive Alexander, just know that that particulr question could have been answered in a much more "Excuse me?" way, but I'll give a shot at answering it politely and comprehensively.

DMT is about the exploration of consciousness and the universe! Yes, the experience may be amazing, but the experience is amazing BECAUSE of the sides of reality DMT shows you. No, no it is not like the aforementioned drugs... they are for unadulterated pleasures, if I'm not mistaken, which comes with a very high price.

I think this can be applied to any entheogen/hallucinogen vs. crack, heroin, meth.
The point is NOT to "get high", or to feel good. These are tools for better understanding the nature of reality...

I'm trying to think of a good metaphor; the only one that begins to work is that where crack (etc) might be a flashy magazine, hallucinogens are a classic novel. Except the magazines cause brain damage.

Or crack etc is Pillsbury frozen cookie dough, and hallucinogens are a real, delicious meal at a restaurant.
 
ImpressiveAlexander said:
SWIM has tried DMT freebase a couple times now. I think he's addicted because of how amazing he says it makes him feel. So, my question is how is this different than any other drug? such as crack, meth or black tar heroin? If anyone out there does it on a regular basis do you consider yourself on par with a crackaddict? if not why not?
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As you will undoubtedly learn with continued use, DMT actually has anti-addictive properties. Some people have terrifying experiences and choose to never use it again. Others may have an existential crisis and choose to never use it again.

I’ve had many experiences which were so fulfilling that there was simply no desire to go back for an extended period. A really good experience can “fill” you and satisfy your “appetite”. It is the less fulfilling experiences that can leave one craving or desiring more.

I’m not familiar with addictive drugs, but I would guess that the craving never goes away, regardless of how satisfying (or unpleasant) the experience is.
 
To answer your question from a perspective that is sincere:
No, this is nothing like smoking crack(or whatever you mentionned), this is very simple.
It doesn't make you feel good when you smoke it, and feel bad when you stopped smoking it.
Quite the opposite.
If as Gibran2 mentionned you've had fully immersive experiences, you don't burn to go back in order to avoid withdrawal (like crack and all the others work).
It's more like finding a purpose and using it for resetting a relationship to your reality and the way you live your life.

This is very sad if poeple abuse it and just like the light show ( though it can be pleasurable, I think it can get boring at this point ), as this is a medecine, and it is better understood if you use as a medecine than a braintoy.
Comfront yourself to your darkest side IN ORDER to shed some light there would be my advise.
 
I might add that DMT does not build tolerance. This has an interesting end result to the careless, for you may believe to think you can handle more and more, but actually you can't! Eventually you will reach your saturation point and will have a very very frightening experience that will burn you or scare you for life. And then you will treat spice with the respect it deserves or not touch it ever again. If you look into past topics here on the Nexus you will see it over and over again!
 
SWIM had an interesting experience on DMT... He found out that if he takes DMT out of boredom (like browsing the Web for funny videos), he gets unpleasant experience: the trip does not start - no worlds, no guides... Interesting thoughts have come up like "What are you doing? Haven't you enough for today?" or "Is this physical dimension so boring? Do something interesting or productive in this world!"...

SWIM also had very many consecutive trips and flashs. First was a trip to a complex world. Than a flash: SWIM felt like he could see his great future (in the physical world) ...SWIM has become curious how long he can take DMT. So he smoked and smoked and smoked... And than a constructive vision of the future turned to SWIM being in a nuthouse! At this point SWIM knew he had enough for that day and decided to not take DMT for one week. Several weeks later, SWIM repeated this experiment. It was essentially the same! Inspiring trips and visions of positive and constructive future. Than, the vision turned in to relatives finding SWIM dead in his appartmenet (died from an overdose of unpopular drug called DMT). At this point SWIM knew he had enough. He had not repeated this experiment and has no attention to.
 
As the Pleiadians advise here, one should ground to be able to travel deeper into hyperspace and receive more data (in other words to smoke more spice and to trip/experience more):

(...) If you are not grounded, you will not have a way of allowing that information to enter your reality and be put to use. It could simply overload your system, or you could not be able to translate what you are getting and stay calm. You need to balance many worlds at once. How do you do this? By intention, by practice, and by decree. (...)
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You ground just by hugging trees and lying/sitting in the nature. SWIM doubted the power of "grounding" but discovers the pattern that he gets the most intense experiences on DMT after being out in nature!

More on this topic here:
 
you don't havve to worry about getting addicted. If you do it a lot its only a matter of time before you go farther than you can handle. Once you feel the lighting burning through your soul. You will quit or learn to respect the power of DMT
 
So you think you're addicted after doing this "a couple times"? At some point, you'll receive an ass kicking of such weird and epic proportions that you will come to understand the flaw in this concept.
 
Experiencing oral DMT with harmala alkaloids has always given me wonderful trips. They are filled with love, euphoria, and deep meaningful content. I trip every Saturday and much of my week is spent looking forward to, planning, and thinking about the upcoming trip. Is this a habit, an addiction, an obsession, or a fun and interesting diversion that is similar to taking a hike in the mountains? I struggle with that question. Certainly psychedelics take up a great deal of my conscious thought and my activities. I research, buy, and experiment with different natural substances and different ways of extracting and ingesting them. I read psychedelic literature and forums, listen to Terence Mckenna and Alan Watts, and thoroughly enjoy the lifestyle. How does this differ from people who smoke too much crack, or shoot heroin, or drink alcohol constantly? I guess my intensity level is similar to theirs, but my intake of the drugs are probably more spaced out. Also the impact of my drug use is not overtly harmful (that I can detect) to myself or my life or loved ones. I guess if it is fucking up your life, thought processes, ability to function or be happy then you probably have a problem.

I don't think smoking freebase DMT is addictive as the experience is a bit too much if done too often, you'll burn out. However, changa may be a different story. At low to mid doses that stuff is similar to weed in that it can be thoroughly recreational and enhance music and turn your living room into a carnival. I have had a few afternoons smoking changa on and off for a few hours and it was a damn good time, but even then it starts to gnaw at you. Still, the positive and downright euphoric effects of DMT can be habit forming if it treats you right, but in the long run, like others have said it can kick you in the balls and make you put the pipe down for a while.
 
i feel on some level it could be addicting.
why would one want to live their shitty life when they could go off into hyperspace
our 3d reality is so confining, DONT BOX ME IN :)
 
*sigh*

DMT seems to be an anti-drug. At first someone experiences this new world and they want to go back, not to "get off" or get high, but because it is new and amazing beyond words.

When I started smoking spice it was daily, then after a while it was 1-2x a week, now I rarely smoke DMT, unless I need a "reboot" as I call it. It centers my mind for a few days after the experience.

No, DMT is not addictive, it won't let you abuse it unless you're really into ass-kickings from 10 dimensional 100000x armed spice gods, seriously.
 
ImpressiveAlexander said:
SWIM has tried DMT freebase a couple times now. I think he's addicted because of how amazing he says it makes him feel. So, my question is how is this different than any other drug? such as crack, meth or black tar heroin? If anyone out there does it on a regular basis do you consider yourself on par with a crackaddict? if not why not?
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Whats up with all these low level, black and white, this and that dualistic lables anyway? Addict/not addict..is that ALL you can see? Im so sick and tired of these kind of rediculous discussions. I dont care if I sound arrogant to some people here, but alot of us here are simply BEYOND all that comparative boxed in crap by now..

There are many many amazonian curranderos who take ayahuasca every single day for years durring their training..would you concider them simply the same as a crack addict or heroin addict?..and if so, why? Ayahuasca is not crack..DMT is not heroin, or alcohol or meth. WORLDS apart..

Why do you assume someone who does smoke DMT daily for a period of time is some kind of "addict"..is that ALL you can see? you cant picture intentions involved that are somehow higher than that? People meditate daily as well..does that mean they are the same as a crack addict?

My point is that this is a grossly discusting over generalization.
 
Here is yet another very informative speech by Bashar about taking action which is relevant to this thread as it explains what will happen if one downloads too much information, in other words if one smokes too much spice:


Based on the key message of the video SWIM offers the following consideration:

The spice opens a broadband communication channel between a personality body-mind-construct (physical being) and the higher mind. The higher mind always has the full perspective and sees the optimal path which is communicated to the physical person through vision (SWIM has experiences visions of his future in the physical world on DMT many times). Visitation of other worlds and communication with beings is part of that communication with or through higher mind, just like the physical world communicates with a person by putting the right book (or a YouTube-Video like this one) at the right moment in his hands.
The information one receives must flow through person, which is done by taking action. In other words one must use the information received on DMT or meditation or other means. Otherwise the download will cease!



Please do not start a discussion about how controversial information source is. We have been through that already here:
 
live said:
The information one receives must flow through person, which is done by taking action. In other words one must use the information received on DMT or meditation or other means. Otherwise the download will cease!
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If the flow ceases, how do you explain individuals who take psychedelics recreationally and never put any of it into action? Or those who take it sacramentally and never put it into action but merely ponder and discuss the philosophical fodder it creates? If the flow ceases these things would be unusable to these individuals, no? There would be no more joy, no more message, no more food for thought. Yet from what I see in the drug culture where I am, this is clearly not the case (and look, I didn't even have to comment on the content of the video 😉 ).
 
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