alternatives to naphtha

[newground]

hello

SWIM has been looking high and low for a couple weeks for naphtha where SWIM live (to use as a solvent for silicone to grout his house, not for this)and i have been hitting an infuriating impass.

SWIM have been unable to find pure naphtha in any form from use as lighter fluid to the giant gallon tanks SWIM so desires.

now i have found an alternative, and i know it is save for consumption, but it is odd, so i wanted to get an alternative opinion before trying (please note SWIM has not even gotten to the growing part yet, i still want to figure out what would be the best of all the options i have to grow, check the other topic i posted if you have an opinion on best plants to use)

now here is the chemical i found.

wd-40.

yes SMIm know how this sounds, but SWIM has done the checking back and forth and even got a friend with a distiller, the stuff is non toxic (hell it has be certified for use in food production facilities) and is 70% naphtha by 30% mineral oil (and SWIM knows mineral oil works very well with plant fats) but the mineral oil is heavy so SWIM doesnt know how the separation of materials would go other then there may be three layers instead of two, something tells SWIM though it would do a better job of separating the fats together then just the naphtha on its own.

so here is the question, any one have any experience using it, should SWIM attempt it and if SWIM doesnt use wd40 (or find pure naphtha) what else can be used as a readable fat distillation (if anyone can think of more then one SWIM would be very grateful)

thank you for your help

 

[Ljosalfar]

No, WD-40 is not suitable for spice extraction. It is an aerosol, and it contains surfactants and petroleum derived oil that will not work in the non-polar solvent phase of extraction.
One alternative to naphtha is Bestine (heptane), often found in art supply stores. There is lots more essential info in the FAQ, TEK, and WIKI pages - take your time, read widely on this site, and ask more questions is my advice...
Regarding plants, growing your own is supremely ambitious, and for most folks quite impractical. Many people purchase Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark and are supremely satisfied.
Don't hesitate to ask for help with a specific tek you are considering.
Peace,
L

 

[newground]

wd 40 is not an aerosol, it uses co2 gas, i cant be sure but i would guess that yes it has surfactant compounds, but all naphtha is petroleum based.

so it may or may not work, im not at all sure.

thank you for your response

 

[LawnBoy]

growing your own is supremely ambitious, and for most folks quite impractical.

Yes, you need a good amount of space, light, water, and so much more to grow enough to supply a normal smoker's habit. Maybe hydroponics, some method of producing massive amounts of roots and or leaves. A plant would need to be selected for ease of growth, disease resistance, and of course the alkaloids it can produce, along with other factors.
If Eye only smoked what Eye grew, then Eye probably won't smoke a lot. Eye would need a massive, and we are talking monstrous greenhouse to fully satisfy Eye's desires In that case more power to you, God speed!

But, even if you can't grow your own, you should get a hold of seeds, and plants of various entheogenic value. Those genetics are so precious.

 

[newground]

well SWIM do have access to a green house

SWIM has another thread on here with stuff SWIM already has identified

on top of this SWIM found that there may be some psychotora alba on there as well

also SWIM founed that SWIM can use acetone, so that answers the wd40 question

that aside what do you think the best species to use would be and which one would you use? (SWIM is going to grow everything, so yes huge undertaking, if it already isnt at the botany facility already)

here is the other thread

what is best of what SWIM has for options to grow? - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

seriously give me names of anything, if you have the statistics of alkaloid number for the species it would be doubly welcomed

thank you

 

[newground]

SWIM thought SWIM would add one more

SWIM have been doing some research into a/b extraction and SWIM wanted to nail down a question

SWIM thinks SWIM have found a series of things SWIM can use as the acid, base and defatter but SWIM is worried about how SWIM gets rid of the stuff in the end product (especially the defatting solvent)

the acid would be vinegar, the defatter would be acetone (nail polish remover) and the base would be milk of magnesium (it has a ph around 10.5)

now SWIM is not worried about the acid or base, but i am having a hard time finding a defatting solvent (SWIM looked though and maybe SWIM could use alcohol, but SWIM is not sure) is acetone a safe solvent to use? SWIM knows the body can process it but there still is some hesitation. are there ones that are more effective? and what could swim use as an alternative (SWIM still cant find naphtha)?

thank you

 

[Lodi]

If you go to ace hardware, or any small mom and pop style hardware store, your homedepot and lowes wont carry naptha regularly. go for the small town hardware shops or ace or aco hardwares.

If nothing, go to ace hardware.com and you can order gallon cans right off their website.

 

[newground]

assume SWIM live in the back woods, because SWIM literally does.

the nearest ace hardware is on the other side of the planet, SWIM needs to find an alternative, and with limited ability to communicate what SWIM wants in the local tongue it is not easy (how the #%^* do you translate naphtha into another language??? lol).

turpentine, plus a half dozen others are easy to find, maybe SWIM will have to go through trying to find lighter fluid (or maybe use the tank for the stove gas if that works) but other then being absolutely sure with wd-40 SWIM has been looking for a long time for naphtha/mineral spirits without luck, so SWIM needs to find other solvents.

though acetone (nail polish remover) may be the winning ticket

 

[endlessness]

I wouldnt use wd 40 as a solvent because it may have unwanted additives appart from volatile petrol hydrocarbons. What about orange oil / limonene ? Then look into BLAB. If you cant find limonene you can probably order and its not a watched chem. Or BLAB with vinegar salting could potentially work with other essential oils as well, maybe even cooking oil. One would need to salt out the dmt and re-convert to freebase.

As for base, Im not sure about milk of magesia it might not be good enough base. What about sodium carbonate? Sodium bicarbonate should be easy to find in most parts of the world, sold in pharmacies or food markets/supermarket, and from sodium bicarb you can make it into sodium carb by putting in the oven for a couple of hours.

By the way, you cant use acetone to defat, acetone mixes with water. Gotta use something that separates, such as the oils mentioned above. Maybe turpentine works im not sure.. I would rather experiment with other things first. Is it mimosa extraction or?

 

[newground]

SWIM has phalaris brachystachys and aquatica growing, and some simplexia on the way whom SWIM doesnt want to kill (give it a while)

SWIM can get sodium carbonate and hydrochloric acid just figured out how a few minutes ago (SWIM once drank pure sodium bicarbonate thinking it would act the same as alka seltzer, it did, and SWIM wound up the day after having a neutral blood ph lmfao (it was a blood drive, SWIM felt fine after taking it, but SWIM scared the people at the donors bank when they did the onsite screening) but that still leaves the deffating compound, SWIM is banking on being able to find lighter fluid (SWIM found an international fuel names list)

something donned on me, could i use diesel or biodiesel? i believe diethyl ether is pretty common to be used in diesel, if SWIM can use that then SWIM have my answer right there, and SWIM is pretty sure that it doesnt mix with water (maybe the biodiesel would a little).

on

Erowid Phalaris Vault : Info #1

DMT, Life, and the Universe: Information about Phalaris Grass.

www.erowid.org

acetone was mentioned as a viable defatener.

but seriously do you or anyone know of a good solid list of non polar defatteners and there uses, one of my other ideas is to find out what the chemical placed inside air conditioners or the stove tanks is, if they use chloroform in the ac units that is also another option.

but thank you for your comment endlessness, SWIM still need to find more options but SWIM is well on SWIMs way, any lists or more opinions would be greatly appreciated

 

[Ljosalfar]

NG,
To clarify, aerosol means liquid droplets in a gas. CO2 is certainly not harmful as a gas/propellant, but then one needs to discharge and collect a lot of WD-40. It does appear it is sold as a liquid as well, however...
Point taken re petroleum - just IMHO, oils would be a pain to work with because they will not give up the goodies (evaporate/freeze sep/salt out) like the volatile non-polars do.
Material Safety Data Sheets are a good source of basic info on all sorts of chemical products. WD-40 indeed contains surfactants:

www.wd40.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf

Happy hunting,
L

 

[Shaolin]

Tests with using sodium carbonate in an A/B weren't successful so I would search for another base, either KOH or NaOH.

Also if the swimmer is willing to give the name of the country, more help can be given.