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rberg79

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Sorry if this is a little off topic here but...

I have 15g of Amanita muscaria caps, and my friend has 30g. We are going to eat some tonight.

I made a tea of 7g before and didn't feel a lot except for sweating and a funny body buzz. Erowid recommends 10-30g for a strong dose... we're thinking about either dividing our whole lot into 2 or 3 (so 15 or 22 grams per person), would any of you who've done amanitas before say that i have the right idea? I am just really not sure about my judgments having failed a couple times lowballing the dose (i always take it easy when i first meet a substance).

Thank you :)
 
Nothing concerning our beloved entheogens is off topic here, my friend! Amanitas varies a lot in potency. 15 gram of one batch may be an okay narcotic, while 15 gram of another batch may be a complete visionary dose that catapults you out in space.

Therefore I urge you to not take any more than 10 gram before you know the potency of your batch. I always start even lower, with 3 or 5 grams my first try, then working upwards to find my sweet spot. Too much Amanita unprepared is not always comfortable, to say the least.
 
Thanks for the advice, I decided the potency must not be that high considering last time i took 7g and didn't feel anything besides the sweating. I had 15 grams left from that bag and took them all with a friend who also took 15 grams of his own stuff and I tripped pretty hard and he didn't at all. we even mixed our bags so that different potencies wouldn't set one of us flying and the other not tripping, but he's bigger than i am and who knows what else kept him from tripping.

It was a really weird experience. Amanita muscaria is so different from any other drugs I've taken- the peak of the trip effects still reminded me of a salvia/dmt experience because when my awareness gets washed away on a drug it's kinda the same feeling to me no matter what i took.

Anyway, in summation, the amanita muscaria taught me that there is infinite time in every moment of "now" that we experience, and i also had the idea the whole time that the world was going to end soon because i would more or less watch an 'echo' of my movements, and short (and relatively short-ER every movement i made) echo times mean the 'book' is progressing towards being 'closed'. That was a weird perception.
 
^ Im sorry, I know these questions are hard to answer with words, but can you go into any more detail in reguads to the amanita experience? Either you or evening glory, or both...I have been interested in these mushrooms for years now..I found one huge amanita muscaria last year..and lots theyear before that..I even found some sort of amanita that was yellow with white spots that I couldnt ID about 2 weeks ago(seems early)..

I am so weary about eating these mushrooms though..so many people tell me is pointless, or horrible etc..then there are the ohers who seem to actaully know more about it and have good things to say about them..the guy at the entheo shop here in the city that sells them told me that if Im drinking ayahuasca already to not even bother with amanitas..but I got the feeling he wasnt even experienced with them..this is the one easily available entheo I have never touched..

Do you find the experience to be valuable psychologically/insightful evening glory?..I can never get a really definative answer from people as to weather its actaully a visionary entheogen that is clearly psychedelic and insightful and deep, or if it is just a toxic deleriant..
 
The effects of Amanita is very strange but absolutely incredible, in some respects similar to iboga. It has a broad range of effects, being a deliriant at the same time as being a psychedelic. Amanita is definitively visionary, although the visions isn't always that spectacular or even colorful, far from most serotonergic entheogens.

The visual effects is more like falling leafs and real objects instead of vibrating patterns and colorful geometry. Amanita is in a respect a bit like LSA, in having intense psychedelic and awareness rising effects on all senses, but not always so much on the sight. On high doses, however, you may break through, although it is far from a DMT trip. It is actually a bit like things you may experience with deep meditation.

Beside the entheogenic effects, it is a great "general drug" for many settings if the dosages are kept low. It is often stimulating at the beginning and sedating to the end, with a nice warmth and euphoric effect. The effects varies a lot though, and american Amanita muscaria (or rather Amanita muscaria spp. americana) tends to have more of the bad side effects.

The side effects is best combated by some good cannabis, which easily stops nausea as well as some of the sweating. Cannabis and Amanita works really wonderful together entheogenically too, they are to my mind a bit like a brother and a sister. I also enjoy cooking my tea with fresh ginger. :)

I hope this was of some help, and please do ask if there's anything else on your mind!
 
Thanks evening glory!:d

One more thing..how is the length? is it more like mescaline? as in an alll day or night long thing?..or more like psilocybin?
 
fractal enchantment said:
Thanks evening glory!:d

One more thing..how is the length? is it more like mescaline? as in an alll day or night long thing?..or more like psilocybin?
More or less like psilocybin, 5-6 hours is normal. Higher dosages can last 9-11 hours though.
 
fractal enchantment said:
^ Im sorry, I know these questions are hard to answer with words, but can you go into any more detail in reguads to the amanita experience? Either you or evening glory, or both...I have been interested in these mushrooms for years now..I found one huge amanita muscaria last year..and lots theyear before that..I even found some sort of amanita that was yellow with white spots that I couldnt ID about 2 weeks ago(seems early)..

I am so weary about eating these mushrooms though..so many people tell me is pointless, or horrible etc..then there are the ohers who seem to actaully know more about it and have good things to say about them..the guy at the entheo shop here in the city that sells them told me that if Im drinking ayahuasca already to not even bother with amanitas..but I got the feeling he wasnt even experienced with them..this is the one easily available entheo I have never touched..

Do you find the experience to be valuable psychologically/insightful evening glory?..I can never get a really definative answer from people as to weather its actaully a visionary entheogen that is clearly psychedelic and insightful and deep, or if it is just a toxic deleriant..
Don't eat the yellow amanita. There are yellow amanita's that look an awfull lot like fly-fungus, that are extremely lethal.

Evening glory's description of the experience is very accurate. First there is the sense of stimulation, followed by a stage of sedation, where it starts to become more visionary and psychedelic. Although shrooms greatly vary in strength, on average 1 to 2 shrooms results in a light trip and from 3 or more, the effects start to become heavier.
I never had a full psychedelic breakthrough with amanita's, but definately experienced the psychedelic quality of them.
At 5 shrooms i definately had visual effects as well. Although different in quality, in those amounts it is about as visual as LSD is, so still less spectacular than psilocybin mushrooms but not void of visuals either. The visual effects in that dose are not as colourfull as LSD visuals but very geometric and fast moving. They can best be described as if the outlines of objects are constantly unfolding themselves. Everything seems to be in motion.

In dose sub-breakthrough amounts it is both less spectacular, less visionary as less recreational than ayahuasca or psilocybin but still worth trying. I have no experience with higher doses that lead to breakthroughs to other worlds. It seems unsafe to do those kind of doses without a sitter nearby.
 
Its interesting that people talk of a geometric nature to the visuals..thats something I associate with tryptamines, phens and lysergics that are all seratonergic..I have always wondered about the symetrical and geometric motifs predominant in both celtic, germanic and norse artwork..and assumed they were taking liberty caps..

Is the geomety seen with amanitas anything similar to that?
 
It's not like mushroom visions at all. Mushroom visions are much more refined and detailed. It's a bit in between the visuals of LSD and the visual effects of high doses of oral cannabis. It lacks the crystaline, shining, electric, colourfull lights you get with the classic hallucinogens, LSD included. It's more that you have mild tracers and tracer-like visual effects, perspective distortions and a constant sense of motion within your visual field. And the outlines of objects, contrasts, things like angles and such seem to create a motion, seem to echo on themselves. As if they want to move outward.
 
I ate 7 grams for my first and only amanitas experience. I seek to try them again, but they were given to me by a friend my first time, so I haven't tried them since.
I definitely felt very goofy and silly on amanitas. I felt the intoxicant effects definitely. I also experienced a very warm body feeling, but none of the chills that I've read of. I had pretty distinct psychedelic thought sequences. Alot of deep thoughts and perspective shifting, but also alot of laughing and cracking witty jokes, the kind of cosmic jokes you make on lsd, if anyone knows what I'm talking about. The open eyed visuals consisted of enriched colors, and liquid like visuals, which I rarely see on any psychedelics except low doses of psilocybin mushrooms. The closed eye visuals were more vision-like. They consisted landscapes, bright colors, and randomness.
There's also a fish-eye effect, where my vision felt 'rounded' around the edges.
I later dived into a spice experience heedlessly, and was punished. I was no longer I if you know what I mean. I shot through the atmosphere, only to run into an asteroid because I wasn't looking, if that's a good analogy. The beings did not seemed pleased that I smoked a 50 milligram dose under the influence of something intoxicating. I was later returned to this reality, but only after having lost all sense of this realm, and for the first time on dmt, being really confused.
I must have had a potent batch, compared to what the op reported. If I had eaten 10 grams, I would have been rather loopy.
 
I read "food of the gods" by Terrence Mckenna about 6 yrs ago and remember him going on about Fly Agerics containing Soma, which is a muscle relaxer and can make the experience feel quite lethargic.

How true is this?
 
This is an experience I had several years ago and has been the only one so intense. I wrote this rather crudely just to get it off my chest a couple of years back, but will leave it be for now even though I feel I have slowly learnt more from this.

The main feeling which I don't think I stressed enough here is the 'other realm' these mushrooms put you in as compared to psilocybin mushrooms. Parrallel universes/dimensions and entities and movements we can never usually detect in the space around us become clear. A definate sense of good and evil, though my thoughts were these presences could be differing alien beings.


"A year or two ago we decided to try some fly agaric. Unfortunately I can’t remember the exact amounts used or the entire experience but feel it was life-changing enough to be explained best I can.

If memory serves me right we had 4 medium caps (may have been more) that were dried in an oven on the lowest setting with the door ajar for an hour or two. This dried material was then ground up in a blender and brewed just below simmer for 30-60mins. This was achieved by stirring the liquid as soon as it bubbled –to cool. A digital thermometer would work great here and 170-200F is the temp needed for the ibotenic into muscimol reaction to happen. NO HIGHER as this will destroy the compounds.

The ‘soup’ already had a magical aura as we made it –gazing into it one could see a multitude of colours like a swirling galaxy of stardust.

Three of us drank one cup, we waited an hour and with no effects noticeable two of us drank another (the third person was my girlfriend and I didn’t want to cause her any danger until I knew first-hand about the effects/dosage). I had tried to abstain from other drugs and alcohol the night before but as was customary at the time my will power hadn’t lasted and I was feeling a little worse for wear from the night before shall we say. I will steer well clear of such practices in the future.

My girlfriend reported little effects from the one cup other than feeling ‘a little happy’ and my other friend had to go home because of his girlfriend having a duck fit about this and that. When I met him again he said he felt very little, other than a few disturbing visions and a long, dreamy sleep. He had been heavier on the substances than me the night before however.

So I was sat there at my friend’s house thinking ‘Am I feeling anything yet?’ and looking about the room for any sign. 3D perception picked up a little (whereby the focus of the telly and the wall behind it was noticeable so that it seemed a great distance –or at least I could really tell the distance) and the ceiling and walls seemed to brighten up in colour, with everything a tiny bit hazy (sort of like your average mild trip). Things did seem a little different to psilicybe mushrooms however.

Then it really kicked in.

I was looking up at the furthest corner of the room wondering why it was interesting me so. I noticed that I could really make out everything in that little corner like I was zoomed in on it with a mega telescope or such like. I begin to notice a sort of predator like invisible fly (or spaceship?) weaving about in that little corner and came to realise I could see what was in that little space but can’t usually be seen.

Then it spread, shimmers came down the old woodwork and worked their way across the wooden top of the fireplace and towards me. Sort of like the wood was breathing and still very much alive. This kept happening sometimes being the focus of the side of the fireplace, top of telly etc but very much the woodwork. This pulsing/breathing was always in a small area but travelled in a line around the features of the room and towards me. I noticed throughout though that I seemed to have an aura about me that nothing I saw could enter, this filled me with confidence whereas such happenings would usually terrify. Afterwards friend’s reported that I was sat there looking this way and that way all over the room at things moving which of course they found strange.

There was a crashing and a banging and all the floorboards and wood (on show) holding the upstairs started creaking. I looked up and there seemed to be a strong wind of spectre like coloured clouds passing through the house, this I interpreted as radio/gamma rays and the like that pass through our atmosphere unseen by us, or other non-humanoid entities.

I very much got the feeling I could see things that are always there but we usually don’t detect. The house I was in was poorly maintained, my friends mother had about a dozen cats and round the edges of the carpets I could see loads of invisible things jumping in an arc from left to right etc –just as fleas do. Like the ‘fly’ I first saw it was predator like in that I couldn’t see it/them but it’s movement. There seemed to be a lot of little black dots whisping and flying about, small creatures, entities, space ships I even thought, or part of a bigger entities that I could not fully make out.

I got a strange feeling that there was another entity in the room, or looking down on us, not ghost/god like but like an alien form conducting research on how we live. There seemed to be hundreds of tiny flashes from the curtains and other spots that I thought were miniature reconnaissance teams recording what was going on. This thought of something there watching us without us knowing it disturbed me somewhat.

I could just make out a hazy, ethereal, roughly humanoid figure in the corner of the room and got a feeling like it wasn’t too happy I could see it. I could feel my aura protecting me but felt the need to reassure myself in my mind anyway as I have seen a ghostly entity before that was less than friendly and such thoughts helped me in that situation (another story!). I thought similar thoughts of ‘I’m an honest lad who tries to be good to all so surely good will protect me from any evil’ or something along those lines when all of a sudden…

I felt some invisible force throttle me and throw me back in my chair as if to say ‘don’t take the piss’, sounds scary but it was not, I got the feeling this was the wrath of god (I’m not very religious by the way).

Then with a puff of smoke two stone tablets with curved tops (just like in the bible) then appeared in the air before me with a transcription starting "The honest man..." A booming stereotypical god-like voice then spoke "He the honest man who shall live..." and followed with a short passage, sentence describing what will come of the honest man.

Unfortunately my short-term memory is terrible (too many ecstasy tablets over the years no doubt) and straight away and now still I cant remember the exact words except for it was very biblical and extremely meaningful ‘The righteous path of the honest man’ or such like.

Eventually I decided to venture to the kitchen (I had been sat in back in an armchair the whole time) to prepare more fly agaric. On the wall by the door on the way out the room was a picture of my friend’s little brother with a cheeky grin dressed in Victorian attire. As I passed it and glanced at it the face should it’s head to the side and gave me a wink! I turned round laughing to explain this to my friend’s but in my head I interpreted this as a sign of the ‘third eye’ –one eye looking into the world around us, the closed eye looking into the soul.

I turned back to head through the door but as I passed into the dining room a non-threatening, welcoming even, middle-aged man (with short brown hair, brown beard and brown clothing) was stood in the corner and beckoned me in with his arms. I got the distinct feeling this was a meeting with god and turned back apprehensive and a little shocked.

As I headed back into the dining room this figure was gone as if to allay my fears. I headed into the kitchen and began trying to prepare more muscaria. The pulses I was on about at the beginning started coming down the worktop towards me but stronger and larger, one even threw me off balance. There was a stool in the corner of the room and I could make out a 13/14-year-old lad sat there with his elbow on his knee and supporting his face with his hand. He wore a baseball cap, had a piercing stare and grin, I interpreted this as the devil as it was not friendly.

An entity seemed to loom behind me and was pushing into me throwing me off balance. This was much bigger than the entity before but the same white light, I could only make it out quickly in the corner of my eye. Still the boy in the corner stared and grinned.

Becoming quiet distressed I turned to go and fetch my girlfriend to be with me but as I turned she came up to my face as if to make me jump (‘Boo!’ type thing) then disappeared. I interpreted this as the malevolent spirit messing with my mind.

I managed to clamber back to the front room and fetch my girlfriend to come be with me (which she couldn’t see why was so absolutely necessary). There was still a presence in the kitchen, the boy in the corner faded in and out but as long as I could SEE my girlfriend, I wasn’t attacked again.

I have little memory of what happened after this; suffice to say slowly the breathing walls etc. died down. All this seemed to last an hour or so but in fact it was several. I felt I had witnessed a world that is always there but we can usually not see and my perspective of the world has changed forever more.

For weeks after I got the little black ‘whisps’ flying about on rare occasions, like I could just make out something moving which cannot usually be seen. This reminded me of the world opened up by the fly agaric is always there; you just usually cannot make it out.

Psilicybe mushrooms are definitely spiritual but this opened the door to a whole different ‘good and evil’, holy or whatever world. And also a world where you sense all that is going on in the space around you. It is said humans can only sense a small percentage of the universe around them (examples, radio waves, microscopic beings to start with and of course other dimensions etc etc) this mushroom opens the mind up the a lot more, maybe not all, but a lot more.

These mushrooms are not to be messed with. I seriously do not recommend you take them without friends with you, but a lot can be learned about yourself and the world around us if you pay them the RESPECT they deserve. They are not for recreational use.

Personally, I don’t know if I could manage the whole ‘death and re-born’ experience… this was intense enough and there was no vomiting or deep sleep as is reportedly usually the case"
 
I have also experimented with low dose muscaria, (fly agaric omelettes in the morning mmmm) and although sometimes negligible, the occasional dose can really pulse energy through your veins and put a spring in your step.

Each mushrooms varies in potency though, so if you pick them it would be best to mix them all and then have a proportional amount.

Up until a point, most people will be disappointed in their experience, go past that certain point and reportedly a your-life-rushing-before-your eyes as you die and are then reborn awaits!

Obviously this is not for recreational/party users!

Respect this sacred mushroom.
 
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