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Amanita muscaria

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ThirdEyeVision

ThirdEyeVision

Rising Star
I have never had the pleasure of journeying with this teacher. All i have ever heard were the horror stories at Erowid so never really had an interest. I did a search here but came up with very little.

So what is your opinion of this mushroom? Is it a pleasant experience or one to be avoided? What could you compare it too?
 
My experiences have all been pleasurable but mild. I'm gonna try working with A. pantherina, and if the experiences don't get better, I'll prob give up on Amanitas for awhile. Can barely keep eyes open tho- I'll post more later. 😉
 
3rdEye, experiences with this mushroom have been mild but pleasurable for most of SWIM's experiences. Ranging from mild psychedelic to kratom-like states.
However, in combination, it can get quite intense, and more a full breakthrough, vision quest type and total entheogenic bliss.
SWIM had this sort of powerful experience in association with LSD...
He still work with low dose panther caps (get very intense dreams and stimulation with this) and want to get through some extractions (not as easy to make).
 
I have taken fly-agaric and panther's a few times. The experience i have with it seems to be somewhat different from the experience others have had with it and i think that this must be dose related.

I have experiences with it that where definately very psychedelic, but not like psychedelic breakthroughs.
And from the experiences i've had with it, i never even considered a psychedelic breakthrough a real possibility with this stuff, until i started reading trip reports of some other people.

In my experience, an amanita journey always starts with a phase of stimulation, where you feel a mental sharpness and energy that is hard to compare with anything else. After a few hours, the experience turns around and a lazy sedated feeling starts to emerge. This is where it starts to become psychedelic.

Visuals are very geometric. It seems like a picture that keeps unfolding itself untile you're completely surrounded by it. And it keeps unfolding and unfolding very rapidly.

Sometimes it feels like you're just a head that's flying through this constantly unfolding weird geometry. There are slight OBE sensations.

In amounts of 2 to 4 entire mushrooms, it combines very well with LSD.

Apparently, in larger amounts, people get transported to other worlds like with our beloved tryptamine.
I can imagine that you could experience some nausea or other side-effects as well with larger amounts. It does make you feel a bit dissoriented.
 
I'm surprised you guys haven't mentioned its deliriant properties too much yet. For me it makes me feel like I'm completely drunk, but I don't feel sick or dizzy as much. After being high for about 3 hours, it starts to feel like the boundaries of the world are blurring and everything is flowing into one another. If you try to meditate/close your eyes on medium/higher doses at this stage, it seems to produce nice visions. I've have very limited experience with amanitas however.
 
It seems like a very worthy teacher. I'm somewhat surprised by the lack of interest in it here at the Nexus. Especially since it is legal to purchase here in the states.

In your guys experience what would be a good dose in grams/mgs for:

Light affects:
Medium affects:
Heavy affects:

At what dose would you consider it psychedelic?
Any recommendations for good vendors?
 
I wouldn't know in grams, since i've always handpicked them myself. they grow abundantly where i live.

Dutch amanita's may be weaker than other types, so i don't know if what i say is a good indication for amanita's sold on the web or maybe growing around where you live. I've heard that the siberian variety is VERY strong, for instance.

One to tow fully grown mushrooms, wich have a diameter of about 15 centimeters have weak to moderate effects. from three to four give the sort of experience i desrcibed above. I never went above that dose.
I can imagine that anything above five fully grown mushrooms is starting to become very intense, but that may also involve purging and whatnot.
 
This is a subject we could dive.
Well, I'll dive it anyway.
Very powerful Dreamworker at low dose (like two grounded grams gelcaped).
Fully immersive breakthrough at 4 grams with LSD ...
 
I've heard it doesn't get really psychedelic until about 30grams. I've tried 15grams and it was mild. It didn't help my dreaming at all. I even took some small amounts of Calea zacatechichi and Silene capensis extracts and smoked some dreaming blend, all from KT, with tobacco. nothing :?
 
I have no experience with these mushrooms, and no interest either. However I have friends who've had good luck with the Amanitas from Washington state offered at iamshaman.com. They have a wide variety of Amanitas at that site, and my experiences with the company have always been top-notch.
 
:idea: Hi Folks,

Great thread!!! Has anyone combined amanitas with psilocybin? I would imagine the two would synergize well together or is this untrue? Perhaps this would this be a waste of the amanita muscaria mushrooms, given the POWER of our little blue psilocybin friends? I have never, in 52 years Terra-bound, eaten amanitas. What's that about? Hmmm... I see them in the mountains every summer but hesitate, because of the toxicity factor. Plus, I have often been told they are not truly psychedelic. I have always doubted this reputation, though. They obviously cause some kind of trip. Even so, I am after complete break-through experiences and wonder if this is possible with this gorgeous mushroom? 10,000 years of Shamanic use, certainly speaks volumes about this Medicine!

I am most intrigued to try some of the Washington AA beauties that Bouncing Bear Botanical carries. Is BBB still a cool place to buy them from (post getting busted by the DEA)? I notice their website is still up and running, though. Any better sources out there for quality amanitas? I would prefer the Panthera variety if I could find it or doesn't it really matter that much? I hear that the muscimol content is higher in the Panthers. True or false? Probably a good trip report is in order, eh? Both, without and in combination with psilocybin! I will keep you guys apprised of my inner voyages. OK?

Thanks in advance, for any info, experiences or guidance. I truly would appreciate any helpful knowledge.

Peace, Love & Light... Rising Spirit
 
Rising Spirit said:
:idea: Hi Folks,

Great thread!!! Has anyone combined amanitas with psilocybin?
-Nope but you may try, no more than 4 grams of quality DRIED amanita muscaria or pantherina could be sampled.
SWIM tried it with lsd and synergize very well, he also ate some magic atlantis truffles lemon iced tea, and there was something added.
I would imagine the two would synergize well together or is this untrue? Perhaps this would this be a waste of the amanita muscaria mushrooms, given the POWER of our little blue psilocybin friends? I have never, in 52 years Terra-bound, eaten amanitas. What's that about? Hmmm... I see them in the mountains every summer but hesitate, because of the toxicity factor. Plus, I have often been told they are not truly psychedelic. I have always doubted this reputation, though. They obviously cause some kind of trip. Even so, I am after complete break-through experiences and wonder if this is possible with this gorgeous mushroom? 10,000 years of Shamanic use, certainly speaks volumes about this Medicine!
-Why not getting some good ones and try slowly slowly ( 4 grams dry max every 4 hours).
This is smoething highly enjoyable, a psychedelic drunkness, very well in low dose for love-making...

I am most intrigued to try some of the Washington AA beauties that Bouncing Bear Botanical carries. Is BBB still a cool place to buy them from (post getting busted by the DEA)? I notice their website is still up and running, though. Any better sources out there for quality amanitas? I would prefer the Panthera variety if I could find it or doesn't it really matter that much? I hear that the muscimol content is higher in the Panthers. True or false? Probably a good trip report is in order, eh? Both, without and in combination with psilocybin! I will keep you guys apprised of my inner voyages. OK?

-Haven't oreder with BBB but a few places carry good ones as well.
Panther are famous but some variety of muscaria are known to be very high in muscimol too, while some hardly have anything.
There is a bunch of alcaloids in amanitas depending of strains and different factors (some contain scolopamine which boost the muscimol, there is some who may carry some sorts of harmalas and maybe -not sure- bufotenin but this has been refuted..°)
All I know is this is worthy mushroom for fellow psychonauts as well as one don't overdose them...

Thanks in advance, for any info, experiences or guidance. I truly would appreciate any helpful knowledge.

Peace, Love & Light... Rising Spirit
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PS:THis has been writen by dreamer while under the influence of said amanita muscaria washington strain. 4 grams of mushroom tea with lemon juice and honey, then another four grams of mushrooms and the solid had been eaten as well. The taste was good. The tea was bright yellow orange.
He feel very good, full of energy, a bit drunk but nicer than alcohol he would say...
 
gosvami said:
found this information about a. muscaria:
it seems to me that this guy KNOWS what he is talking about...
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That is a very well written introduction to this mushroom.

Very important and well mentioned here: Don't start with Pantherinas. Especially because they look similar to highly toxic Amanita Phallodies. Just look for real fly agarics, they are so easy to identify and it really is what you want for a start.

I would not order any of them. Better wait a few weeks, they will pop up in September. Harvest you own mushrooms, if you call them, make contact to them, you will find virtually tons of them (if you live in an area where they are of course).

The above mentioned guy also writes that, in his opinion, amanitas seem to potentiate everthing. That is what SWIM seemed to experience when he ate them not too long before he did pharma. The DMT visuals and the whole journey was so very intense, even though the dose was not too high. That should be an interesting area for research. However, all SWIMs amanitas are extracted in vodka, so maybe he would evaporate the booze and try the extract (be careful with dosage here!) with pharma.
 
Actually I've always wondered about amanita safety combined with caapi/rue alcaloids.
I ate some yesterday after a dose of passiflora incarnata tincture.
This felt very good, so as a pilot test, it didn't felt toxic one bit.
But what about fully MAOI ?
 
What about the various toxicity concerns of the amanita muscaria? Haven't found much agreement on this yet.

I'll have a look at the link tomorrow if it has this info.
 
Morbiddoctor said:
What about the various toxicity concerns of the amanita muscaria? Haven't found much agreement on this yet.

I'll have a look at the link tomorrow if it has this info.
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I understood that the toxicity lower a lot if the fruits are dried properly at low temp to not damage the muscimol.
Muscimol is toxic but it's active in such a low amount (few mg) that it shouldn't be an issue.
On the top of that, some community in russia using amanita often haven't seem to be hurt.
To me it sound again that dried amanita are safer than alcohol.

4 to 8 grams make a great day with a fantastic social mood, very playful.
Good for sports too (swimming, cycling and other exercices have been performed with very good results in performance).
 
^ that's a relief to hear! I've had a medium sized washington specimen waiting on me since last year and haven't gotten around to it yet. I plan on picking as many as I can in the next season to store for
future use.

What is proper drying method? I've been doing more dreamwork lately as well and curious as to it's effects in sleep. Anyone experimented with those doses enough to offer opinion?
 
PsilocybeChild said:
I remember someone saying that amanitas and psilocybes clashed and canceled each other out and he recommended against it.
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Somewhere I read that too...
I have a very good feel about mescaline/cacti and amanita synergy though.
Haven't tried it yet but with lysergic acid it goes so well (ruff edge sometimes but a full on ride very magic healing).
So as soon as Dreamer get some cacti, he will experiment the combo and report back.
This way we have a low and comfortable dosage yet fully immersive experience with two medecine.
 
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