DMT is a rollercoaster, once on you can't get off til the operator lets you, measure outlike 25 MG and hit the pipe hard (Fanning with lighter of course) 25 MG should be potent enough for nice visuals but not full breakthrough, I've had intense trips on about 30-35 MG though as well, and everyone is different, but I am fairly experienced in a few drugs, and DMT can still be intense for me, maybe its best if you try aya in a high dose first prior to blast off some people that experience the blast off get scared away from the intensity, and I feel if they tried aya first maybe this wouldn't have happened. I find 2G Syrian Rue split into 700 MG in 1 capsule, 700MG in a 2nd capsule and 600MG+100MG DMT in a 3rd capsule taken the first two rue ONLY caps 15 mins apart then downing the 600MG Rue/100MG DMT cap 5-15mins after ingesting the rue caps works well is an easily controllable trip with waves lasting about 3-4 hours very nice OEV and CEV and warm fuzzy feelings!